They Have Named Him

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https://news.sky.com/story/southport-violence-stabbings-attack-riot-london-hartlepool-misinformation-sky-news-blogs-13186819

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Was he known to to the security service, have they said?

[max137]

Not all people that have been radiclised are muslims.

[Khandro]

AH //Khandro - 

 //Not a very Christian approach is it?/You seem to know, please tell us. //

I "seem to know" what exactly?

And who is "us"?

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To say that something isn't "Christian " can only mean that you know what being Christian is. So please tell us (us being everyone interested to learn your wisdom on this thread). What is the Christian approach to such an evil attack which took the lives of 3 innocent children & mutilated, & almost took the life of their schoolteacher trying to defend them, plus stabbing of, was it six others.

Do tell us andy, or was it just another of your supercilious, snide remarks ?

[Ellipsis]

> I'm afraid that's what happens when people suffer losses of loved ones or friends

That isn't what happened though, is it? The people who suffered losses of loved ones were not the ones who rioted. In fact,  some of them, in their grief, still managed to ask the rioters to stop.

[fripfrip]

Maybe the rioters thought it could be their children next.

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - //

AH //Khandro - 

 //Not a very Christian approach is it?/You seem to know, please tell us. //

I "seem to know" what exactly?

And who is "us"?

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//To say that something isn't "Christian " can only mean that you know what being Christian is. //

I do know what being Christian is, in the broadest sense of the term - I used to be one, but no longer.

// So please tell us (us being everyone interested to learn your wisdom on this thread). //

I am addressing you and only you Khandro. if you want to assume there is a legion of people hanging breathlessly on my every utterence, don't let me stop you. But I am talking to you alone.

//What is the Christian approach to such an evil attack which took the lives of 3 innocent children & mutilated, & almost took the life of their schoolteacher trying to defend them, plus stabbing of, was it six others. //

I would suggest that it is not suggesting the summary execution of someone who may be a Christian as well, and certainly is one of God's children, from your perspective.

So the idea that you would wish him to die a violent death without the chance to possibly express remorse, is hardly what i would understand to be a Christian attitude to another human being.

Judgement is for your God, not for you, so, as a confirmed Christian,  you shouldn't be wishing to jump the gun.

That attitude belongs to non-believers like me, except i seem to be more of a 'Christian' in this regard than you - I don't wish medieval punishments on people to satisfy my own primeval need for revenge.

// Do tell us andy, or was it just another of your supercilious, snide remarks ? //

I am telling you, and just you Khnadro, you are not being Christian.

I couldn't personally care less, but on other threads, and probably in the future, you will be parading your Christian credentials front and centre.

If want to talk it, you have to walk it.

[andy-hughes]

fripfrip - // Maybe the rioters thought it could be their children next. //

I think you are crediting the ritoers with a level of intelligence and thought that, by definition, they clearly do not possess.

People with the imagination to consider their own families don't mark the tragic loss of others by burning police cars and hitting police personel.

[fripfrip]

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So explain what happened in leeds.

[percyveer]

Free all the mice and rats. Use such as him for medical research.

[naomi24]

I think you're mistaken, Andy Hughes.  I think many of those people rioting are doing precisely what you think they're incapable of - reacting with the anger and vengeance they would feel if someone they love was slaughtered in cold blood as those poor little girls were.  

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why were the rioters attacking muslims?

[naomi24]

Because the perpetrators of such acts of slaughter are very often Muslim ...and they assumed - wrongly - that this particular madman fell into that category.  But you know that, untitled.  

[Khandro]

This horrendous triple infanticide along with the other atrocities warrants capital punishment in many Christian and non-Christian countries.

 

[mushroom25]

how likely is it that this named individual, between now and their next court appearance on October, will be declared unfit to plead?

[andy-hughes]

Mushroom  - If he is declared 'unfit to plead' it will be because that is the result of rigorous tests by highly qualified experts who will have examined him at length.

It's a process designed to ensure that people are not tried unfairly when they are not in a position either to understand what is happening, or able to offer an appropriate defence.

It's not a 'get out of jail free card', even though it may appear to be exactly that.

[Ellipsis]

> reacting with the anger and vengeance

And inconsideration, and gullibility, and rank stupidity ...

[naomi24]

Doubtless ellipsis, but the same could be said for any group of angry people that go on the rampage ... no?

[Ellipsis]

True. But in Southport, the community was reeling and the police were traumatised even before the riot, so what the bussed-in mob did to the community and the police was particularly despicable ... 

[Mozz71]

Let's be honest, most of those rioting couldn't care less who committed the murders, they just took the opportunity to attack those they hate. 

The real consequences of the riot was to add even more stress and pain in the people of Southport, who have quite frankly been through enough without the idiotic actions of these morons.

[naomi24]

I'm not entirely convinced that what we're being fed is the whole truth.  I have my doubts.