They Have Named Him

Clone | 12:40 Thu 01st Aug 2024 | News

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https://news.sky.com/story/southport-violence-stabbings-attack-riot-london-hartlepool-misinformation-sky-news-blogs-13186819

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andy-hughes

Clone - You demonstrate a cynical absence of understanding what Autism is, and how it can affect and influence individuals who are born with it.

naomi24

The judge didn't have to stretch the decision to name him too far. His 18th birthday is next week.

Clone

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I have a cynical absence of trust in the authorities.

I also don't give a damn about any sob story about a killer of children

davebro3

Another one we have to house in Broadmoor for the rest of his natural. Cost £30k pa plus? I despair.

naomi24

I'm not interested in sob stories either.

youngmafbog

Oh the left will wheel those out in spades Naomi.

And this is exactly what is fuelling the problems we are now seeing. Bt the Metropolitan liberal elite just cant see it.

andy-hughes

Clone - // I also don't give a damn about any sob story about a killer of children //

Autism is not a 'sob story'.

It directly affects behaviour because severe sufferers have absolutely no concept of empathy, sympathy, or right and wrong.

That does not excuse such actions - nothing does, but if it is found to be a factor, it goes some way towards explaining them.

We have to wait for the full story to be revealed, but I am trying to keep an open mind about the circumstances that have led up to this horrible tragedy.

naomi24

I don't keep an open mind. Three little girls are dead and their parents and community devastated. That's all that matters. I couldn't care less about him or his alleged problems. I hope they throw away the key.

andy-hughes

naomi - // I don't keep an open mind. Three little girls are dead and their parents and community devastated. That's all that matters. I couldn't care less about him or his alleged problems. I hope they throw away the key. //

I think your views reflect that majority of those who have chosen to comment on here - or riot and destroy police vehicles in the area involved.

But I try and keep some compassion for everyone in the world if I can.

There are exceptions, obviously - some people make clear choices to do evil things, and there is no sympathy for them anywhere, and rightly so.

But where a mental condition may influence, or indeed directly cause a tragedy like this, I find it hard to harbour vengeful thoughts, and as I said, I am keeping an open mind until evidence is available to confirm all the facts.

We are all a product of our experiences, mine with autism is direct, I have two immediate family members affected, and several more distant ones as well, so I have an understanding of the reality of dealing with people who are literally unable to grasp the concepts of morality, pain, and right and wrong in terms of other people.

I am not trying excuse what has happened, that is not possible, but I remain open to an explanation that will not bring these poor souls back, or mitigate the agony of their families, but may at least give some reason behind what thus far appears to be actions devoid of any reason whatsoever.

We need to wait and see what emerges, and try not to let our anger consume us, which helps no-one anywhere.

naomi24

Doubtless you've compassion enough for all of us. Just as well. He won't be getting mine.

andy-hughes

naomi - // Doubtless you've compassion enough for all of us. Just as well. He won't be getting mine. //

Please don't patronise me.

My view differs from yours, but I accept it, and I don't look down on it.

I'll appreciate you extending the same courtesy, if you can put down your self-righteous burden long enough.

Ellipsis

As for the point ...

Naming the suspect, and his background, and his condition, was nothing to do with the suspect himself ... it was to stop the rioting, the heartache of the community (especially the victims and their families) and the abuse of the police.

Clone

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It was because it was all over the internet.

Ellipsis

Wrongly ...

Not that, even if it had been correct, it would have excused the lawlessness and utter disrespect of the victims ...

andy-hughes

Ellipsis - //

Wrongly ...

Not that, even if it had been correct, it would have excused the lawlessness and utter disrespect of the victims ... //

It is a worrying trend that the need for a huge number of people to become emotionally invested in the tragedies of strangers is leading to that being used as an excuse for riots, assaults and general mayhem.

It's time people realised that they are not entitled to vent their self-righteousness on the police and their own communities, they need to learn some discipline and respect instead of acting like vigilantes in a futuristic science fiction film.

Clone

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Ellipsis

Wrongly ...

Not that, even if it had been correct, it would have excused the lawlessness and utter disrespect of the victims ...

No, it was the correct name. It was also mention he would be 18 within a fortnight.

mushroom25

more violence overnight, and more today. and still the authorities maintain an information vacuum that the conspiracy theorists are falling over themselves to fill.

latest rumour doing the rounds on social media is that the alleged offender, and his brother, were radicalised at their school and when arrested, he was alleged to claim that he was only fulfilling the will of Allah.