Wy Do You Hate Vegans? Vegan Here... Ask Me Anything :)

[divegirl]

I love this site... have been a member for far too long lol

I rarely post but am always here and as a vegan I am basically gobsmacked at times at peoples attitude towards my lifestyle choice and yes it is a choice. As is yours.

BUT [from the Vegan Society]

Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.

At 47 years of age [50 this year] I adopted the Vegan lifestyle because I became aware of the apathy and my own jaded sense of what is right and wrong. Right to kill a pig... but not a dog? blah blah blah

Have you ever watched any documentaries concerning veganism? Earthlings? Cowspiracy? What the health?

Do you know what cognitive dissonance is?

I'm not posting this to be confrontational, I am truley interested in what people think :)

Lisa x

[divegirl]

"We used to think it was ok to use black people as slaves because... meh... different colour to us!"

Slaves come in all colours, the supply at the time seemed greatest from one area of the world though. But this is an invalid comparison. Nature is about one species living off another, that's natural. Abusing members of one's own species such that they have a life of doing your bidding and enduring your attitude has no such parallel, and is a belief system thing.

And we will evolve out of eating animals... the alternatives are better and it is wasting the planet feeding the animals to feed us... time to cut out the middle man/cow/pig/sheep/fish.....?

[divegirl]

I don't hate vegans. However, I think they have a mental health issue if they insist on denying themselves the whole gamut of the world's vast larder in all its infinite variety. As for catering for vegans in my house - I wouldn't do it. I'm fine with vegetarians as long as they're not the sort that say "I'm vegetarian but I don't really like most vegetables"!

A larder that is full of animal hormones, fats, anto-biotics and cruelty to fellow beings on this rock.... YAY FOR MENTAL ILLNESS!!!!!

[teacake44]

I'm not posting this to be confrontational.

But I will argue my case until the cows come home. :)

[divegirl]

@ johnny.5

Bees are a really tough one!

I would not consume honey myself because I am dedicated to my lifestyle.

That said, I have watched and seen many amazing bee keepers that do not hurt our essntial friends!
The commercial bee industry will however clip the Queens wings to stop her flying away and remove all honey from the hive replacing it only with a manufactured sugar type fluid for the young lava.
To me this is no worse than placing a mouth defender on a calf.

[Rockrose]

I have no problem with veganisim and respect their eating habits if the leave me alone to chow down on a chicken leg

[naomi24]

Jim, //since most people don't get their eggs from their back garden I don't think it's too unreasonable to focus on commercial eggs first.//

There’s a principle here that you’re ignoring. Vegans tell me that because of concerns for animal welfare I shouldn’t eat eggs – even those that will never hatch. That is patent nonsense. People have been eating such eggs since time immemorial – long before factory farming was ever thought of, or indeed possible – but still that’s deemed wrong. I’ve never received a satisfactory explanation from any vegan.

[Ratty2E]

I dont hate vegans despite the fact that some of them seem to hate me because i belong to a group of people with a lifestyle they dont agree with. My worry is that a lot of people seem to be taking on ‘veganism’ as some sort of fashion statement without doing the research and seem to think it means you can just live in chips. These people could end up being malnourished and storing up some nasty health problems for the future (if they stick at it that long). I do have a couple of questions fo you if you wouldn’t mind answering. Do you take supplements, and if so how can you know they’ve been produced in a completely animal friendly way? And what do vegans think about the animal waste that is used to feed the soil in which their plant based diet grows? These two questions have been bugging me but i dont know any vegans to ask.

[divegirl]

Sorry... picture of mouth defender.... These are placed on young female calves to stop them stealing their mothers milk [cos that's for you humans]

The boys have already been sent to the pens....

https://external-preview.redd.it/0xqaBwjquvRwDeq5Qjp7gPbq8t4ZCe83fdu2-quuvEE.jpg?auto=webp&s=5052f7f8fb7530c2f7a5075898ff73cbed3f5f84

[divegirl]

@Rockrose

Thank you for the stereotypical meat eating uncaring answer... there always has to be one :(

[jim360]

I can't argue for a case I don't believe in myself for very long. For my part I want to see people switch to ethical ways of eating animal products, and I also clearly believe that such ways exist.

[Prudie]

I absolutely respect your choice and admire you for it as I know I wouldn't have the willpower. However I think you are evading the issue put back to you on this thread. Vegans have got bad press because they don't just get on with it, they aggressively try to foist it on others, there have been some very unpleasant vegan protesters in my local towns (all covered so they can't be identified) and yes they shout about it almost like a disability that's not being catered for. So in effect it's like a weird religious sect trying to recruit. No-one hates vegetarians because they don't make an issue of it.

[mushroom25]

//And we will evolve out of eating animals... //

evolution isn't driven by political or belief systems, or by lifestyle choices. it's driven by chance mutation. a mutation that gives a species an advantage will thrive; that's how it works.

to assume humanity can evolve a dietary preference is to deny the process.

[Rockrose]

You have taken it the wrong way!

[teacake44]

Got to go my bacon & egg sarnie is ready, the smell is wafting round the house.

[Rockrose]

Actually I’m out of here because if you can take my words and twist them then it’s your issue not mine

[johnny.5]

how about bee exploitation for pollination ?
would you use/eat any of these many products ?
bees are valuable not for their honey, but for their pollination services--without them, you wouldn't have almonds, blueberries, tomatoes and a long list of other crucial crops. For this reason, bees are often hired out by the hive to pollinate farmers' fields

[snags]

I don't hate Vegans.

Although people who use phrases like 'amazeballs' need beating with a calf leg.

[divegirl]

Sooo many questions and only one little vegan here lol

I'm trying....

I seriously am not trying to be confrontational... can't remember who said that.

I have wanted to post this for such a long tome but was too scared too!

As I said, I'm a late learner at almost 50 but does everyone really think their arguments stand up?

Whether you believe in climate change..personally I sort of don't but we can't deny the our co2 emissions or our absolute destruction of the rain forests to feed the cows to feed the population.

It really is becoming a simple fact of science that we can not go on the way we are. We are killing our planet through your own selfishness for taste and convenience.

But you lot seem to want to just crack on....

[divegirl]

Tongue in cheek snags... hows ya bird?

[divegirl]

@ johnny.5

Fair point indeed!

Personally I 'm lucky... Hate avocado and love oat milk [best thing ever!].

Also,,,, hate to keep bringing it up but.... cognitive dissonance...

Cognitive dissonance...
I know what your doing is right!
But bacon!
But baby pigs die :(
But bacon.....

Simply... we do not need to kill for taste.
Our planet needs us to slow down....
But bacon and phones and cars and me me me me me me me