Wy Do You Hate Vegans? Vegan Here... Ask Me Anything :)

[divegirl]

I love this site... have been a member for far too long lol

I rarely post but am always here and as a vegan I am basically gobsmacked at times at peoples attitude towards my lifestyle choice and yes it is a choice. As is yours.

BUT [from the Vegan Society]

Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.

At 47 years of age [50 this year] I adopted the Vegan lifestyle because I became aware of the apathy and my own jaded sense of what is right and wrong. Right to kill a pig... but not a dog? blah blah blah

Have you ever watched any documentaries concerning veganism? Earthlings? Cowspiracy? What the health?

Do you know what cognitive dissonance is?

I'm not posting this to be confrontational, I am truley interested in what people think :)

Lisa x

[douglas9401]

I think we've reached the boggly-eyed stage now.

It always comes.

[divegirl]

Oh and that was after owning my mattress for 18 years.... and then it went to a animal sanctuary pmsl crack on hun

[divegirl]

@ douglas9401

I have your avatar on my wall as art... just sayin' boggle

[shoota]

I don't think you are 'truley' (sic) interested in what people think.
I think you are just seeking opportunities to preach.

[mushroom25]

//Pop quiz... where do meat eaters get their b12? //

it occurs naturally in animal products.

[bainbrig]

Hello Lisa.

I'm a vegetarian (for 39 years) but couldn't make the leap to veganism, although I know I should.

Anyway, I think the hostility to us who shun meat-eating is about guilt.

Meat eaters KNOW they're in the wrong. They know that as individuals they simply couldn't go out and kill a chicken, a pig, a calf, probably not 'even' a cod or a tuna, in order to eat it. They can only carry on eating dead animals if someone else does it for them.

And they feel guilty! And therefore take it out on us, who (while failing) are at least trying to live lives based on more humane principles.

BillB

[CallieB]

The only problem I have with Vegans is that many are misinformed. Divegirl you yourself are misinformed about Hens. Hens do not normally lay only 15 eggs a year. My mums totally free range hens, they have around 2 acres to run around in, lay an egg every day except when they go into molt for a couple of weeks and when it gets too cold in the winter. Many vegans think eggs are baby chicks. That's like saying every egg a woman produces every month is fertilized. Hens will lay eggs regardless of human intervention and regardless of having a cockerel with them... Everyone has the right to choose what they do and don't eat but please base that on fact not fiction, and please don't take the moral high ground.

[shoota]

Utter bull BillB.
I feel no guilt, I am not in the wrong and I do kill a proportion of my own meat.
I only feel hostile to vegans/vegetarians who adopt a 'holier than thou' attitude and attempt to stop me from carrying on with my life choices.
Ergo I am not out on this glorious day shooting pigeons.

[bainbrig]

Lisa. CallieB's comments just underline what I said: "...and therefore take it out on us, who (while failing) are at least trying to live lives based on more humane principles."

BB

[luciustool]

Bainbridge what total pap. Many times I've shot birds and animals and ate them and very nice they were too. Why would meat eaters be guilty? I bet there are more moaning/ self promoting Veggie/Vegans around than veggie haters. We just roll our eyes and think 'special', then get on with our day.

[sunny-dave]

I don't hate vegans (especially not Lisa who is a good friend of many years standing - or indeed sitting around a table of beers).

I do pull their legs about their supposed inability to not tell others about their life/diet choices - like many stereotypes, it is actually quite often true - but I also respect their choice and understand the deep moral certainty that they have about it.

It's not for me - I'm comfortable with my omnivorous diet (and, yes, I have been to abattoirs and dairy units) and don't feel the need to justify myself - although I will do so quite robustly if challenged.

The 'saving the planet' aspects are much less binary than many vegetarians/vegans suggest - the real problem is overpopulation, not diet - and much of upland UK/Ireland/Europe would effectively be waste scrubland, contributing neither food nor tourist utility, if animal husbandry ceased.

SDx

[CallieB]

Bainbrig, and your reply to me underlines the fact the most Vegans and Vegetarians avoid the truth by claiming they are being 'got at'. You eat eggs I presume, as a Vegetarian? Do you drink milk? Well if you do Dairy production is the cruelest of all Agricultural Industries.

[douglas9401]

I wouldn't want to kill an animal myself any more than I'd want to build my own house, car, washing machine, furniture, make my own clothes and so on and so on.

There are people who do that stuff for us and I'm happy to let them.

Now, please move the crusade along, some of us are trying to barbecue here.

[sunny-dave]

"There are people who do that stuff for us and I'm happy to let them".

Yes indeed Douglas - but I do feel quite strongly that (as a society) we are too divorced from the mechanisms by which meat reaches our plate. Nothing makes me crosser than the "I eat meat but not if it's bloody or looks like a bit of an animal" brigade - that is true hypocrisy.

I've said before that I think that (somewhere around the end of compulsory education) everyone should be compelled to either visit an abattoir and dairy unit or become a vegan - it's that important to understand where our food comes from.

[douglas9401]

If I'm paying for food I'll have it cooked as I want it thanks Dave and as for 'looking like a bit of an animal' what does that even mean?

The idea of students being herded into indoctrination centres to learn 'the truth' is a tad sinister too.

[gness]

Oh dear, Lisa.....I was interested in your views until you said you sort of don't believe in climate change and that rain forest are being destroyed to feed cows.
Do any of the vegan products you buy/eat contain soy?

You need to look at what would happen to rain forests if everyone became vegan.

[sunny-dave]

It's the "I eat mince or burgers or chicken fillets, but can't face a whole chicken or meat on the bone because it looks too much like a dead animal" attitude that I detest.

Either be comfortable with eating animals or just stop - either is fine, but don't go all squeamish at the yukky bits.

[johnny.5]

but I do love this song such haunting sounds from the abattoir

[Baldric]

Read the first 3 pages, it appears divegirl just wants to preach at us, boring.

[youngmafbog]

I dont care what anyone eats so long as they dont expect me to adjust my lifestyle to accommodate them or preach to me.

But the problem with Vegans is the holier than though attitude, I'v noticed this does not extend to most vegetarians. And your posts on here show the problem.

If Vegans stopped this morality crusade and accepted other' decisions as they expect them to accept theirs then there wuld be far less 'hatred' (although I dont think hatred is the right word p*** off is probably more accurate).