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piece of evidence that God exists...just one!
Have just been reading through the posts here on R&S and all I see are (tortuous) apologetics for ones own belief system. We have Theland who pleads with us to find salvation and then disappears. We have goodlife who appears incapable of thinking for himself and just copies and pastes. (typical JW from my experience) and keyplus who views the world through 'koran glasses' and cant even begin to see the world in any other way than that in which he has been brought up in.
All God believers, in my experience, seem to view unbelievers as been willfull sinners. They seem incapable of understanding that others have their own understanding of the world and that God plays no part in it because there is no EVIDENCE.
For the time being, I HAVE to be an honest atheist (or at best agnostic) because I value truth and evidence over faith (and there are so many faiths that I couldnt possibly choose one out of thousands even if I had to.)
SO...... Just one piece of evidence will suffice and then maybe I could take it from there and see if YOUR God might be the way forward.
I thank you.
Have just been reading through the posts here on R&S and all I see are (tortuous) apologetics for ones own belief system. We have Theland who pleads with us to find salvation and then disappears. We have goodlife who appears incapable of thinking for himself and just copies and pastes. (typical JW from my experience) and keyplus who views the world through 'koran glasses' and cant even begin to see the world in any other way than that in which he has been brought up in.
All God believers, in my experience, seem to view unbelievers as been willfull sinners. They seem incapable of understanding that others have their own understanding of the world and that God plays no part in it because there is no EVIDENCE.
For the time being, I HAVE to be an honest atheist (or at best agnostic) because I value truth and evidence over faith (and there are so many faiths that I couldnt possibly choose one out of thousands even if I had to.)
SO...... Just one piece of evidence will suffice and then maybe I could take it from there and see if YOUR God might be the way forward.
I thank you.
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Life is a self-sustaining, self-regenerating process conditional on that process. Life is the product of evolving to meet the ever changing demands imposed by the environment on living. Consciousness and a functioning intelligent brain are a product of that evolution that developed by virtue of the benefits provided and contribution made to by and for it to the improvement of ones chances for survival and further development.
The culmination of the process of evolution is the capacity to reason and the development of an understanding of the process of reason which relies on everything that preceded and made it possible. It is with the development of reason we discover, reveal and acquire a reason for existence that never existed prior to the onset of reason from which we acquire the ability to reshape our environment in our own image provided that we understand and meet the requirements imposed by reality on our further progress.
By presupposing a creator without regard to what the process of creativity entails and from whence it arises, it is we who are in jeopardy of destroying that which makes us possible, our reason and our life.
The culmination of the process of evolution is the capacity to reason and the development of an understanding of the process of reason which relies on everything that preceded and made it possible. It is with the development of reason we discover, reveal and acquire a reason for existence that never existed prior to the onset of reason from which we acquire the ability to reshape our environment in our own image provided that we understand and meet the requirements imposed by reality on our further progress.
By presupposing a creator without regard to what the process of creativity entails and from whence it arises, it is we who are in jeopardy of destroying that which makes us possible, our reason and our life.
It is with the development of reason we discover, reveal and acquire a reason for existence that never existed prior to the onset of reason from which we acquire the ability to reshape our environment in our own image provided that we understand and meet the requirements imposed by reality on our further progress.
Reading this sentence I am even more confused!
Reading this sentence I am even more confused!
grasscarp, are you a deist? (in some way or more completely ?)
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And grasscarp, be aware of the dangers of allowing others to set the paradigm/what the debate is about/what the argument is ( eg. straw man, false trails, metaphysics, false paradigm, esotericism, false premises )
mibn2cweus has given you posts which use large amounts of assumptions which can lead to false premises... and remember, they cannot even agree on definitions for atheist and agnostic among themselves.
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And grasscarp, be aware of the dangers of allowing others to set the paradigm/what the debate is about/what the argument is ( eg. straw man, false trails, metaphysics, false paradigm, esotericism, false premises )
mibn2cweus has given you posts which use large amounts of assumptions which can lead to false premises... and remember, they cannot even agree on definitions for atheist and agnostic among themselves.
sevenOP. // they cannot even agree on definitions for atheist and agnostic among themselves. //
You're mistaken. An atheist is perfectly correct to say that he/she doesn’t know whether or not a creator exists, because no one knows, but that doesn’t make him/her agnostic. After all the slogan on the atheist bus was “There’s probably no God…”. Personally I am utterly devoid of belief in the existence of a supernatural creator. I am an atheist.
You're mistaken. An atheist is perfectly correct to say that he/she doesn’t know whether or not a creator exists, because no one knows, but that doesn’t make him/her agnostic. After all the slogan on the atheist bus was “There’s probably no God…”. Personally I am utterly devoid of belief in the existence of a supernatural creator. I am an atheist.
Thanks for all replies, its been interesting reading up to now but I havnt yet received anything that even closely resembles evidence for the existence of a deity. Plenty of speculation and theory but nothing remotely convincing.
Thing is, I would actually like for there to be a higher power, a creator, God, call it what you will as it would mean that we are not alone in this life but the sad fact is that we ARE alone. No God to answer our prayers, no God listening to us.
Thing is, I would actually like for there to be a higher power, a creator, God, call it what you will as it would mean that we are not alone in this life but the sad fact is that we ARE alone. No God to answer our prayers, no God listening to us.
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sevenOP, ‘agnostic’ is a term commonly, but incorrectly, applied to one who is unsure whether or not a God exists. However, it actually refers to those who conclude that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God – in other words a fundamental belief that a God may exist – albeit one about whom nothing is known or can be known. I repeat, I do not believe that such an entity exists at all. I am an atheist.
Incidentally, as a child I read J M Barrie’s ‘Peter Pan’. I don’t believe in fairies or mermaids either.
Incidentally, as a child I read J M Barrie’s ‘Peter Pan’. I don’t believe in fairies or mermaids either.
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