Give Me Just One

[nailit]

piece of evidence that God exists...just one!
Have just been reading through the posts here on R&S and all I see are (tortuous) apologetics for ones own belief system. We have Theland who pleads with us to find salvation and then disappears. We have goodlife who appears incapable of thinking for himself and just copies and pastes. (typical JW from my experience) and keyplus who views the world through 'koran glasses' and cant even begin to see the world in any other way than that in which he has been brought up in.
All God believers, in my experience, seem to view unbelievers as been willfull sinners. They seem incapable of understanding that others have their own understanding of the world and that God plays no part in it because there is no EVIDENCE.
For the time being, I HAVE to be an honest atheist (or at best agnostic) because I value truth and evidence over faith (and there are so many faiths that I couldnt possibly choose one out of thousands even if I had to.)
SO...... Just one piece of evidence will suffice and then maybe I could take it from there and see if YOUR God might be the way forward.
I thank you.

[pixie374]

No idea, I'm not a scientist. I was being serious about God too. I suppose his mum and dad were whoever invented him first.

[sevenOP]

Thank you naomi for giving your view on the meaning of the words agnostic and atheist, it would be interesting to know if other people concur.

Calling yourself an atheist seems rather contradictory to me by your own description of atheist at 16:14 Sat 01st Aug 2015, and your description of agnostic at 06:25 Sun 02nd Aug 2015 seems slightly defeatist (ie. we can never know so what point in trying to know) if agnostic's do hold it, and it veers somewhat to the concepts of igtheism/ignostic/theological noncognitivism among other considerations.

Words like 'god' 'creator' 'belief' 'agnostic' atheist' have become so cliched/debased/convenient(and easy) to use that the simplistic option appears the chosen norm: it may be worth reflecting just how much we 'take for granted'.

Anthropomorphism is a restricting view.

[naomi24]

sevenOP, No contradiction. It’s quite simple. An agnostic may ponder the question of whether or not a supernatural god exists and seek answers - an atheist will not. In his opinion there are no questions to be asked because there’s nothing there to be discovered.

[beso]

naomi //[For the atheist] there are no questions to be asked because there’s nothing there to be discovered.//

Nothing to be discovered goes too far. However through the observations we have made on our existence we have no need for a god. The logical outcomes of the system in which we find ourselves are sufficient to explain all observations.

[naomi24]

Beso, // Nothing to be discovered goes too far.//

For the sake of simplicity, I produced a succinct response. I know no atheist who wonders if God exists and hence, none who go in search of supernatural explanations. Outside of that there’s plenty to be discovered.

[idiosyncrasy]

http://www.allaboutcreation.org/physical-evidence-supporting-creation-faq.htm

[naomi24]

idiosyncrasy, your author says // We believe the pursuit of truth is the highest calling of humanity.//

…. but that’s not strictly true because they aren’t seeking the truth. Their minds are already made up.

[mibn2cweus]

//Their minds are already made up.//

In more ways then they care to realise.

[grasscarp]

The atheist's mind is firmly made up already - see Naomi's post above

"An agnostic may ponder the question of whether or not a supernatural god exists and seek answers - an atheist will not. In his opinion there are no questions to be asked because there’s nothing there to be discovered."

How can he be certain there's nothing there to be discovered?

[mibn2cweus]

Belief in god marks the end to the search for answers and the quest of discovery.

[grasscarp]

^ Much the same as the non believer in God then.......

[naomi24]

Not at all, Grasscarp. Presented with verifiable evidence an atheist will re-evaluate his opinion. To date none has been presented - ever.

[grasscarp]

Naomi you say now
Presented with verifiable evidence an atheist will re-evaluate his opinion.
a couple of days ago
An agnostic may ponder the question of whether or not a supernatural god exists and seek answers - an atheist will not. In his opinion there are no questions to be asked because there’s nothing there to be discovered.

Which is it? If atheist will re evaluate now on presented with evidence, then you are admitting there could be something to be discovered!

I am confused. what happened to there is nothing to be discovered stance?

[RATTER15]

I don't think there is anything to be discovered in respect of Gods etc. Hover if someone can produce some evidence to the contrary I will be interested in looking at it. I am an atheist!

[naomi24]

Grasscarp, I trust Ratter’s post above has alleviated your confusion. It’s quite simple.

[grasscarp]

Ok Naomi, so you did not actually mean there is nothing to be discovered when you wrote about the mindset of an atheist.

[naomi24]

Yes, I meant it. An atheist doesn't believe there is anything to be discovered. If he's wrong, show him the evidence.

[grasscarp]

Not quite so sure then. Ok.

[naomi24]

Grasscarp, that's wishful thinking on your part. I've seen nothing to convince me and I don't believe I'm likely to.

[sandyRoe]

The heart has its reasons that reason cannot know.