Random Thought

[nailit]

If I *need* (why would I need?) to believe in a God for whatever reason (Eternal life. Avoiding eternal hell etc) then how could I be sure that the God that I believed in would be the one?
If 'God' himself appeared to me how could I be sure that this entity would indeed be the God of truth and not some impersonating spirit/delusion/demon/ etc?
Ive sometimes been asked what would turn me into a believer.
The answer is that I don't know.
But any God who cares enough about me WOULD know.
After 53 yrs on this Earth, I can only conclude that
1) God doesn't want me (or he would show me that he exists...no questions asked)
2) God doesn't exist

Either way, the problem is not mine.

[Theland]

Nailit - I have nothing but deep affection and respect for you.
I am honoured to have known you for so long.

[Theland]

My faith is purely biblical, and I have not time for deviations from the bible teachings.
Religions in general are man made.

[Theland]

I do not consider myself superior to anybody, but I consider myself blessed for knowing Jesus Christ.

[Theland]

Richard Dawkins is indeed a poor deluded fool..
I am prepared to discuss his theories with you as long as I am treated in a friendly manner.
The same can be said of Stephen Hawking, Neil de Grasse Tyson and Lawrence Krausse, three of the worlds leading intellectual atheists.

[Theland]

Tyre in prophecy came true. Nebuchadnezzar destroyed it after a 13 year siege and Alexander conquered the island stronghold. Alexander is not mentioned but so what? The prophecy was fulfilled.

[Theland]

The original site of Tyre is still partially submerged, the new very small city of Tyre was built further up the coast. The prophecy remains true.

[nailit]

Corollary's...
//Nailit - I have nothing but deep affection and respect for you.
I am honoured to have known you for so long//
But your God's going to torture me in unimaginable pain for all eternity for the sin of not been able to believe? Will you still have deep affection for me then while your god is torturing me for eternity?

//My faith is purely biblical, and I have not time for deviations from the bible teachings.
Religions in general are man made//
Every Christians faith is purely biblical. Just not as biblical as yours obviously. And all religions are man made...except yours of course!

//I do not consider myself superior to anybody, but I consider myself blessed for knowing Jesus Christ.//
You don't consider yourself superior to anybody except Richard Dawkins, or other evolutionary scientists, or atheists in general, or those of different faiths, or ……

//Richard Dawkins is indeed a poor deluded fool.. //
Matthew 5:22?
//I am prepared to discuss his theories with you as long as I am treated in a friendly manner//
Its a two way street.

[nailit]

And I would suggest that you keep the prophecy things on appropriate threads.
I wish you well Theland. Im not your enemy.

[Theland]

Well you certainly sound like it!

[Theland]

In any discussion it is not illegitimate to quote from or reference a book.
Equally it is not illegitimate to reference a YouTube video where we have the benefit of hearing lectures from the worlds leading thinkers.
Yet I have been admonished for doing this.
And this referencing is of course available to atheists.

[nailit]

Tough love ^^
Had to be like that with my lad at times as well.
He thanked me for it though (eventually)
;-)

[nailit]

//And this referencing is of course available to atheists.//
And the (you tube) rebuttals are available to theists also.

[Theland]

I am open minded. I would love to see the rebuttals.
I have watched many Dawkins, Tyson and Krauss videos and did not find them convincing.

[Theland]

I posted a video about Israels history and prophecy that described the miraculous founding of the state.
Prophecy and history matched perfectly, yet Naomi rubbished it and said there was a RATIONAL explanation!
How breathtaking!
What are your thoughts?

[nailit]

//I have watched many Dawkins, Tyson and Krauss videos and did not find them convincing//
Well you wouldn't would you?
Neither did I when I was a Christian. Why was that? Was it maybe because I had my fingers in my ears singing ''nah nah nah' because they were presenting facts that went against my beliefs maybe?

[Theland]

Not at all. And why take that unfriendly tone? Fingers in my ears would not be open minded would it?
Why can't you resist the temptation to ridicule?

[Theland]

Goodnight.

[nailit]

//What are your thoughts?//
My thoughts are that I agree with naomi.
No supernatural explanation needed and when you REALLY look into biblical prophecy regarding Israel, what you have now bares no resemblance to what the bible ACTUALLY predicted. What you have is a few 'soundbites' from selected scripture to make an event retroactively fit a supposed prophecy.
Havnt got time to go into it now because I urgently need my bed.
Suffice to say that I once believed as you did...until I opened my mind (or intellect) and realised that I was wrong.

[nailit]

//Why can't you resist the temptation to ridicule? //
I give up.
How can you have a conversation with someone who has a hissy fit because you disagree with him.
I now see what others mean when they tell you to stop been the victim.
Ive kept myself awake to try and have a conversation with you.

[nailit]

If anyone interested in a book as opposed to a you tube clip
https://www.amazon.com/Failure-Bible-Prophecy-Skeptics-Evidence/dp/142692383X