Origin Of Information.

[Theland]

I believe all information originates in a mind.
If you disagree with this, any examples?

[Baldric]

Your mind seems to have no original information,
just video clips from whoever suits your mood of the moment, do you ever have an original thought?

[vetuste_ennemi]

No, I don't agree with that.

Unless you have predefined "information".

"Facts" exist independently of intelligent observation.

[mibn2cweus]

Information is perceived and processed by a mind body organism. Such information is subject to interpretation through an understanding of the process of perception.

[Baldric]

Dementia is not uncommon!

[mibn2cweus]

To acquire information is to be informed of something that exists prior to the process of acquisition. A consciousness without something to be conscious of is a contradiction. Existence precedes consciousness which is an emergent quality of highly evolved organisms. Information is of and about something that exists. Existence is a necessary precondition of information and the means and process of consciousness, intelligence and meaningful, purposeful action.

[Theland]

So take the information on AB. It all comes from a mind. Could you think of a mechanism other than a mind that could produce such information?

[Theland]

Baldric - I'll thought out and uncalled for.

[Theland]

If you wish to alter the content of a book, you have to add information. That will come from your mind. There is no other mechanism to do this.
Agree?

[mibn2cweus]

Theland
So take the information on AB. It all comes from a mind. Could you think of a mechanism other than a mind that could produce such information?
05:53 Mon 26th Aug 2019

Information is not produced, it is not created by the mind, it is observed from reality and can then be shared with other minds.

What is created within the mind is imagination. The inability to distinguish that which is created within the mind (imagination) from reality (information) can potentially be a problem.

[woofgang]

I think you need to define what you mean by "information"

[naomi24]

//The inability to distinguish that which is created within the mind (imagination) from reality (information) can potentially be a problem.//

And therein lies your problem, Theland.

[Zacs-Master]

This is another version of ‘does a tree falling in a forest make a sound if no one’s there to hear it’

Philosophical ***.

[Rationalist]

DNA is information. A new set of information is created in the moment of conception.
I don't think there is a mind involved in that process, but maybe you do.

[Old_Geezer]

Space craft send back data as they fly past planets. Data processing machines extract information from that data. Only then do human minds look at it and see what information is there.

[beso]

Information is required to form a mind. Consequently it is clear that information originated before any mind and your proposition is wrong.

[Zacs-Master]

Beso, you have that slightly wrong. A mind is required to label everyday occurrences as ‘information’. It’s just a word we use to describe the universe, it’s processes and outcomes.

[beso]

Zacs^^

I didn't say a mind was required for information. However information as you describe it, is required to form a mind.

[Zacs-Master]

I disagree. You’re placing evolution ahead of there being anything going on in the universe.
Minds can exist on a very basic level with no cognisance of any information.

[woofgang]

again it depends what you mean by information.... Zac...apart from an individual brain that has been damaged or not properly formed, can you give an example of a brain that exists at a low level and has no cognisance of information?

[pixie374]

A mind in a coma, does, woof... and possibly some insect forms.
I am surprised you believe this, theland. Are you saying God has a mind? I think it's main purpose is interpreting information. Not generating it.