Origin Of Information.

[Theland]

I believe all information originates in a mind.
If you disagree with this, any examples?

[Old_Geezer]

"Artificial Intelligence ... originates in the human mind."

Don't accept that for a moment. The desire to build such an entity may have originated in a mind but when someone's built a neural network and let it run a while learning, the originator has little idea how it figures things out. Not that that generates information any more than a human would. At 'best' it extracts it from available data.

[Zacs-Master]

I thought you were outta here, Theland?

Anyway. There was a little hint as to where this is all leading when Theland wrote ‘If you wish to alter the content of a book, you have to add information’

Now, I wonder.....which book did he have in mind.

Debating with Theland is like trying to teach a 5 year old quantum physics. They get various words but the rest is just gibberish.

[pixie374]

It sounds interesting on the surface, zacs. But the only available answers are either too obvious to bother typing or I am just not getting the point (quite possible).

[Zacs-Master]

It’s only interesting as a kind of Spoonerism / Stanley Unwin type proposition. It’s words joined together but with no real understanding of what they actually mean.

It’s so basic a misconception that it only deserves the ridicule it has received thus far.

Theland no doubt has an agenda.

[Gromit]

Information is all around us just waiting to be discovered .
Computers (you may be thinking artificial brain) are just tools to help us find that information. Computers are not capable of original thought. Instead they are just machines that speed up our sorting of the available data.

[pixie374]

I may have understood it better if it had been posted by nailit.
Gromit, I don't think any computer can be compared to a brain, even in speech marks.

[THECORBYLOON]

A living tree is alive and it can react to changes in its surroundings.

Where is its mind?

[Gromit]

pixie374

I said an ‘artificial’ Brain.
Computers are capable of out performing our organic brains in some tasks.

[Old_Geezer]

What is original thought ? All thoughts are based on what has been previously learnt. Even a breakthrough is just spotting a relationship from what's already out there. If humans claim original thought, why not sufficiently complex silicon brains comprised of networks of nodes ? Mind may well emerge.

[Theland]

Scatter plastic models of the 26 Letters of the alphabet.
Until a human mind comes along to arrange them into a word, they remain gobbledegook.

[andres]

The brain receives the information, processes it and passes it to the appropriate cells.There the information will either be stored or rejected and the mind ,when called upon will regurgitate the said information as and when it is required.

[Theland]

Zacs is offensive in the extreme, and there is no call for it.
One of the strengths of AB is good manners, fragile but important.
Why mock then?

[Theland]

Could the works of Shakespeare come into being without Shakespeare's mind to create them?

[andres]

theland @16.59--As I have just stated.^^^ Before the mind can re-arrange those letters it will have to call on the information already stored in the brain ells. i.e. The alphabet and dictionary. Without that information in your brain the letters would stay in a jumbled heap.

[woofgang]

I think we are in violent agreement pixie...the "information" eg a bright light, a pinprick, loud noise, and so on is what I would describe as "information" and it all originates outside of the receiving mind or brain. I would describe the medical coma as a temporary and deliberate damage to the brain in that is designed to interfere with the brain's processing of information...in the burn's victims case the pain.

[andres]

^^^cells

[pixie374]

Yes, woof, exactly. Still not sure what theland is trying to say, but never mind:-)

[woofgang]

Theland, in the case of your plastic letters, the information comes into the brain via the sense of sight. The brain (mind) processes the information and decides that its reaction will be to make words from the letters.... the problem with your example is that the plastic letters will continue to exist independently of the mind/brain that makes the words. If the owner of that mind/brain decides to pass by and ingnore the plastic letters, then another mind/brain owner might see the same information (plastic letter bricks) and do something entirely different with them.

[Theland]

Not sure what I am saying?
Every process requires information.
That information is not self generated.

[pixie374]

Right, yes. I thought you were saying information originated in the mind...