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RABAT - A Moroccan theologian repeated his claims Sunday that Muslim girls could marry as early as nine years old, arguing it was sanctioned by the Prophet Mohammed.
"The marriage of nine-year-old girls is not forbidden because according to the Hadith (the Prophet Mohammed's sayings), Mohammed married Aisha when she was only seven-years-old and he consummated his union when she was nine," wrote Sheikh Mohamed Ben Abderrahman Al-Maghraoui on his website (Maghrawi.net).
"Those who criticise me, like the press or Moroccan television as well as the lawyer who filed the complaint (against me), are part of a secular attack against the Islamic nation and its theologians," he added.
"The marriage of nine-year-old girls is not forbidden because according to the Hadith (the Prophet Mohammed's sayings), Mohammed married Aisha when she was only seven-years-old and he consummated his union when she was nine," wrote Sheikh Mohamed Ben Abderrahman Al-Maghraoui on his website (Maghrawi.net).
"Those who criticise me, like the press or Moroccan television as well as the lawyer who filed the complaint (against me), are part of a secular attack against the Islamic nation and its theologians," he added.
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Oh dear. Struck a chord, did it, Keyplus?
A little while ago, you posted a poem on AB, written by your ten-year old son, whom, if the thread is anything to go by, you clearly see and, quite rightly, treat as a child. We all read it, and although the content was worrying, we all said what a bright little lad he is - and boy, weren't you proud.
Here's the link.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Cul ture/Question596169.html
....And here's the dilemma. How is it that in your eyes this boy is a child, and yet you consider a nine-year old girl to be mature enough for marriage? What's the difference between him and her?
Furthermore, what does your English wife think of this practice? Would she be happy to see one of your four (or has the baby been born, and it's now five?) children married at nine, and at the mercy of an old man?
Ethel, the report may contain the comments of one man, but Keyplus, at the very least, agrees with him, so I fear the practice is not restricted to just one man.
A little while ago, you posted a poem on AB, written by your ten-year old son, whom, if the thread is anything to go by, you clearly see and, quite rightly, treat as a child. We all read it, and although the content was worrying, we all said what a bright little lad he is - and boy, weren't you proud.
Here's the link.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Cul ture/Question596169.html
....And here's the dilemma. How is it that in your eyes this boy is a child, and yet you consider a nine-year old girl to be mature enough for marriage? What's the difference between him and her?
Furthermore, what does your English wife think of this practice? Would she be happy to see one of your four (or has the baby been born, and it's now five?) children married at nine, and at the mercy of an old man?
Ethel, the report may contain the comments of one man, but Keyplus, at the very least, agrees with him, so I fear the practice is not restricted to just one man.
Keyplus does not agree with him. Keyplus trying to say that Prophet did certain things at the time for political, social, or other reasons, Prophet (pbuh) used to fast almost every second day, how many Muslims do you see doing that, OK to this topic How many Muslims you can show me or tell me of who you think are marrying their Nine years girls?. Still a good number of scholars do not even agree on the age of Ayesha (pbuh) at the time of marriage.
Read this.
http://www.ilaam.net/Articles/Ayesha.html
In the end as I said before and this is last time, Who is forcing you to do it? Otherwise carry on thinking what you want to as I am sure you are not the only one.
Read this.
http://www.ilaam.net/Articles/Ayesha.html
In the end as I said before and this is last time, Who is forcing you to do it? Otherwise carry on thinking what you want to as I am sure you are not the only one.
I am not about to get into a discussion on the age of consent, since that is not the issue here. You're the one defending this vile practice, and as far as I can tell, your justification for it is that the nine-year old girl is menstruating. I'm not telling you how your English wife might have been thinking. I'm asking you how she thinks, but it seems the answer is not to be forthcoming. Too difficult, eh?
Yeah - I think the only honesty would be just to agree with you. I know for that reason Naomi has even brought in the intelligence of my son........Very nice. Carry on.
You call him whatever but this is what people who are known to the world say about him. So who the people are going to listen to, A Keyplus, A Naomi or A Brinon. I will leave it for you to decide without a doubt that I will get An Honest answer. Good bye...................And Oh yes forgot one thing, All these people who wrote this knew more about him than what you do. Or give me any well known article even published in your home newspaper.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_10
Not me.......
http://www.twf.org/Library/Prophet.html
You call him whatever but this is what people who are known to the world say about him. So who the people are going to listen to, A Keyplus, A Naomi or A Brinon. I will leave it for you to decide without a doubt that I will get An Honest answer. Good bye...................And Oh yes forgot one thing, All these people who wrote this knew more about him than what you do. Or give me any well known article even published in your home newspaper.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_10
Not me.......
http://www.twf.org/Library/Prophet.html
Keyplus, I said nothing detrimental about your son, so do please stop your lies right now, because we're accustomed to it and they no longer fool anyone except, perhaps, the most foolish. Your argument has failed, and you've dug yourself into a hole, as you always do - and your only recourse, as usual, is to issue unjustified accusations - and to post worthless links. (Incidentally, the first one doesn't work).
Bye bye.
Bye bye.
keyplus you have no idea at all about anything I have been through I am certainly not going to tell you.
Except this much. I have been on the recieving end of an abuser. If my first husband had run off with another woman I would not have butted an eyelash because my relastionship was over with him.
But he to crossed the line.
I can't for the life of me see your argument. Niomi has pointed out and I know from experiance what it is lke for a child to suffer this.
Yet still in some strange way you appear to be justifying it.
There is no comparison between a cheating husband and one who seeks to violate a child. One is just harming himself, the other is harming an innocent child. You seem a little obssessed with the cheating husband thing as if in some way it is as bad as child sex abuse.
Never mind that you think it will do no good. The fact is it would seem the rest of us are aware of what lines can be crossed without to much damage. A cheating wife or husband is one of those things for most. We get on and move on. Do you have any idea how hard it is for an abused child to move on?
Please stop with your self rightious attitude and step back into the real world. Stop hiding behind a book.
I am well aware that not all muslims agree with this man. I also know that there is no religion that can hand on heart say there are no sinners here and that I might add goes for athiest as well. We have made it clear in this country that it will not be tolerated and we are working towards stopping it but Keyplus your arguments do not stand. You either condone or condem it. Throwing link after link makes no difference because people on here including myself do not agree with it and one mans arguments will not serve to help the muslim cause.
Except this much. I have been on the recieving end of an abuser. If my first husband had run off with another woman I would not have butted an eyelash because my relastionship was over with him.
But he to crossed the line.
I can't for the life of me see your argument. Niomi has pointed out and I know from experiance what it is lke for a child to suffer this.
Yet still in some strange way you appear to be justifying it.
There is no comparison between a cheating husband and one who seeks to violate a child. One is just harming himself, the other is harming an innocent child. You seem a little obssessed with the cheating husband thing as if in some way it is as bad as child sex abuse.
Never mind that you think it will do no good. The fact is it would seem the rest of us are aware of what lines can be crossed without to much damage. A cheating wife or husband is one of those things for most. We get on and move on. Do you have any idea how hard it is for an abused child to move on?
Please stop with your self rightious attitude and step back into the real world. Stop hiding behind a book.
I am well aware that not all muslims agree with this man. I also know that there is no religion that can hand on heart say there are no sinners here and that I might add goes for athiest as well. We have made it clear in this country that it will not be tolerated and we are working towards stopping it but Keyplus your arguments do not stand. You either condone or condem it. Throwing link after link makes no difference because people on here including myself do not agree with it and one mans arguments will not serve to help the muslim cause.
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Ok lets look at history. There was a time in this country when a child of a wealthy family was married off at what we consider a young age to seal pacts and agreements.
BUT we have moved on from that.
We have come to the point where a child, especially a girl, can no longer be considered as a possession, something to be traded.
Girls in the western hemisphere are there own people and are more or less treated as such although it could do with a little tweaking here and there.
But we all know that in many countries, particularly third world, girls are still considered second rate citizens with very few rights.
Before you go off again Keyplus think.
Women do most of the work in these countries because men are often to be found sitting around debating. Great ain't it, but these same men would think nothing of getting rid of an excess child if it was a girl. Never mind that without these women and girls there would be no one to plow the fields or cook and clean and make it easy for them to sit and talk all day.
All that should be asked of any religion or political party is the right for all to have access to education and a fair crack at life. Not to be sold off to the highest bidder or the richest old man.
It is not hard to except that we should move on and become aware that things have to change. Nothing can stay the same and if we are to give girls the same chances as boys then not only do we need to teach them all about the value of their lives but also about the value of taking care of themselves and telling them that it is within their rights to say no.
But Keyplus take a look at those girls in that picture and hand on heart tell me that it is OK to pack them off to be married.
Most poeple would reacte the same way as those on here.
BUT we have moved on from that.
We have come to the point where a child, especially a girl, can no longer be considered as a possession, something to be traded.
Girls in the western hemisphere are there own people and are more or less treated as such although it could do with a little tweaking here and there.
But we all know that in many countries, particularly third world, girls are still considered second rate citizens with very few rights.
Before you go off again Keyplus think.
Women do most of the work in these countries because men are often to be found sitting around debating. Great ain't it, but these same men would think nothing of getting rid of an excess child if it was a girl. Never mind that without these women and girls there would be no one to plow the fields or cook and clean and make it easy for them to sit and talk all day.
All that should be asked of any religion or political party is the right for all to have access to education and a fair crack at life. Not to be sold off to the highest bidder or the richest old man.
It is not hard to except that we should move on and become aware that things have to change. Nothing can stay the same and if we are to give girls the same chances as boys then not only do we need to teach them all about the value of their lives but also about the value of taking care of themselves and telling them that it is within their rights to say no.
But Keyplus take a look at those girls in that picture and hand on heart tell me that it is OK to pack them off to be married.
Most poeple would reacte the same way as those on here.
Tigerlily � before saying allllllllllllllllllll these things, I wish you had read the links I gave. Any way 5th time, no one is asking or forcing you to believe in what you do not want to believe.
Naomi & Wizard, I am not worried about, as every single person on AB knows about them, and their ways as well.
Naomi & Wizard, I am not worried about, as every single person on AB knows about them, and their ways as well.
keyplus as I said try thinking for yourself just this once.
i'm not interested in your links.
And the last one as I said makes no sense to the thread.
And also try putting an intire post together instead of adding another one under it.
Make your point in one go. That way you might make the conestion between link and point before people jump on you.
Your post underneath was not there when I saw thw link.
But as I said it still amkes no sense.
i'm not interested in your links.
And the last one as I said makes no sense to the thread.
And also try putting an intire post together instead of adding another one under it.
Make your point in one go. That way you might make the conestion between link and point before people jump on you.
Your post underneath was not there when I saw thw link.
But as I said it still amkes no sense.
Tigerlily � Now I read your long posts and you know what simply I have to say about all the things you said there. Please do not take me wrong or rude but you have no idea in real life what Islam is like. All the things you have written there are typical well known propaganda. If I give links then that is due to because I, in my sincere mind want to give people correct information about Islam. Now people like that or not that is a different thing but one thing I do know that anyone who studied Islam (not Muslism) with a sincere mind would not find a single objectionable issue. And that is a big thing I am saying. However what happens is that people jump onto anti Islamic websites for Information on Islam and these websites are in abundance. You type word �Islam� on google and 90% websites will be anti Islam. Long debate, no one can type hours and hours and it only takes 2500 words. So that is the reason I give links.
In the end I would say again with due respect you have no first hand knowledge about Islam or even Muslims.
This woman used to think the same about Islam on the basis of books, Until she saw Islam in real life and in a country which according to western media is on the top of woman right violation.
http://www.yvonneridley.org/
And this man used to preach anti Islamic slogans, until he found about real Islam.
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/yusuf.asp
Think why?
In the end I would say again with due respect you have no first hand knowledge about Islam or even Muslims.
This woman used to think the same about Islam on the basis of books, Until she saw Islam in real life and in a country which according to western media is on the top of woman right violation.
http://www.yvonneridley.org/
And this man used to preach anti Islamic slogans, until he found about real Islam.
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/yusuf.asp
Think why?
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