Guys, I'm off.

[naomi24]

If anyone wants to get in touch with me, perhaps Mibs would be kind enough to act as go-between and pass any messages on to me.

It's been nice knowing you - and thanks for everything. x

[andy-hughes]

ludwig - you have no way of knowing that that imagined point - and imagined it is - was what upset naomi - and if you re-read my posts, you will see that my referring to the right as 'racists and homophobes' is an interperetation of what i actually said, and is completely untrue.

[ummmm]

It is untrue....Andy didn't say that. I was reading the thread and like jackthehat couldn't understand where Naomi was coming from. It seems she took exception to Andy's use of 'they' and 'them'

It really was that simple...

[jno]

ludwig, I think there's a useful distinction between talking to other people on AB and referring to third parties. The former is a matter of civility on the site itself, and is the editor's responsibility, which he exercised. You ought to be free to hurl abuse at Cameron/Brown/insert name of choice without hurling abuse at other ABers who disagree with you.

[woofgang]

"jno
ummmm, it was when you *did* understand something that she got nervous. She was very comfortable with her many intellectual inferiors."

glad someone else noticed this....

[Ankou]

my take on it, is that if you feel that you are not one of 'them' then just say it.

but then i am simple. ask noami.

[ludwig]

yes andy, you'd make a good politician. When I've got a minute I'll go back and get the text, so we can see what was actually said.

[andy-hughes]

Already done it ludwig - and as I said, interperetation is just that - it's not fact.

[B00]

"salla/jno.......go?.....not bloody likely and give anneasquith, BOO and JTH cazz sara and others, a clear run in.....not likely. "

I beg your pardon? What does that mean?

[anneasquith]

boo, i saw that post, but just ignored it ! but it is rude to talk about someone " behind their back " lol

[netibiza]

Ah well, it's obviously Ed's fault, so can we expect a HUGE flounce the Ed??? ;-)

[netibiza]

http://1.bp.blogspot....ry+shelf+collapse.jpg

Ed's flounce!!!

[Ankou]

followed by the chatterbank all night vigil.

http://www.nubar.com/..._images/m35873-25.jpg

[jno]

huh, I attended one of those vigils and it wasn't at all like the Daily Mail makes it out to be

http://www.tc.umn.edu...lton-brown-asleep.jpg

[ludwig]

// Already done it ludwig - and as I said, interperetation is just that - it's not fact. //

Yes, and you left it open to that particular interpretation - as I said and the time, the point could have been better made, and people who aren't bigots shouldn't say things that look bigoted or prejudicial, because it confuses people.
I would add that you did feel the need to clarify the point at the time.

And I think I'm right in saying that I'm not imagining or interpreting that it was the sweeping generalisation that upset her - I'm sure she stated it that it was.
Please don't make me go back and look thorugh that thread - life's too short for that.

jno
//ludwig, I think there's a useful distinction between talking to other people on AB and referring to third parties. The former is a matter of civility on the site itself, and is the editor's responsibility, which he exercised. You ought to be free to hurl abuse at Cameron/Brown/insert name of choice without hurling abuse at other ABers who disagree with you. //

Yes, that would be great if the editor excercised that reponsibility consistently and objectively, but he didn't. What we had was the classic Left vs Right type debate going on, and the Ed couldn't help but pitch in on the left side (as he often does).
I suspect that if the same insult had flown the other way (not from andy, he wouldn't say it), but from Left to Right as it were, no action would have been forthcoming.
As many have pointed out, far worse names are called every day with impunity.

Ed - by the way you know when I said andy would make a good politician earlier, I realise that's a truly disgusting insult to fling at anyone, but I'm hoping you'll let that one slide.

[jno]

I don't think there's any reason to suppose that, ludwig. As I said, the Ed was enforcing the rules, as he's paid to do, not playing politics. If he doesn't ban every offensive post on the site it's not because he somehow approves of 'leftist' insults, it's because he doesn't see them. They have to be brought to his attention by being reported; if not, unless he happens to spot it himself, nothing will happen. I think you're making the mistake of assuming he looks at every post on every thread every day. I'd bet a golden groat he doesn't do anything of the sort.

[ludwig]

Naomi, if you're there..

"You'd better beat it. You can leave in a taxi. If you can't get a taxi, you can leave in a huff. If that's too soon, you can leave in a minute and a huff."

(Groucho Marx.) ;-)

[Ankou]

“I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it”

(also groucho marx).

[AB Editor]

I didn't remove it because I'm a communist (as I am apparently considered?) - but because:

a) It was a personal attack
b) it was reported


I hope Naomi comes back one day, I found her contributions entertaining and considered (except that one obviously).

All the best,

Spare Ed

[anneasquith]

ed, do you think it was appropriate to say on the thread " naomi i have removed your answer " ? rather than just removing it, especially as it was reported. ?

[LoftyLottie]

Well that was a nice long read. Just fitted in nicely with my Sandwich and a cup of coffee.