Jab

[HFJL2020]

had a call to day from my health centre offering me the virus jab i refused some of my pals have refused it saying its not safe enough

[ToraToraTora]

"i refused some of my pals have refused it saying its not safe enough " - who are your "pals"? genetic scientists? Hopefully they'll start banning unvaccinated people from public places at some point.

[Peter Pedant]

// hopefully they'll start banning unvaccinated people from public places at some point.//

erm doesnt make sense
but so what this is AB

if they are vaccinated, they wont get the disease.....so let it all hang out as Klute says

[ToraToraTora]

kathyan: "They don't know if the vaccine stops you getting the virus, or if it stops you from passing it on. All it does is lessen the effect should you get it." - your ignorance is astounding, have you even looked in to how the vaccines actually work?

[Peter Pedant]

// some of my pals have refused it saying its not safe enough.//

well when you and y'all pals get it and get admitted
you can all go to the same ward
the Duuurrrrr ward
so called because the dear old sweet codgers were too durrr to get vaccinated

I want readers to know I am not ridiculing the decisions of those older and wiser than me

[piggynose]

And theres silly me thinking the jab was going to give me a covid free life! Ah well!
What wud we do without ttt's wisdom?

[Peter Pedant]

carrier status after siccessful vaccination is exercising the nobs and intellects - for reasons I am not quite sure

well - - it has happened before
yeah but no but
the only ref I cd find in their lit
was polio- in a vaccinated household they still found polio virus

but the house was vaccinated againnst polio because - -- - one of them had it

[Sqad]

//////They don't know if the vaccine stops you getting the virus, or if it stops you from passing it on. All it does is lessen the effect should you get it./////

I have a certain amount of empathy with Kathyan's comment and feel that she is being unfairly critised.

However I would urge Kathyan to have the vaccine.

[Ellipsis]

> people should not be ridiculed for making the choice that suits them

What a ridiculous statement ...

[ToraToraTora]

piggy, what are you talking about?

[ToraToraTora]

vaccines are designed to prevent infection, not treat the symptoms.

[Peter Pedant]

whitty one of the intellects
said he thought it wd be with us until 2022

and yearly covid jabs were a possibility

and of course he cd be right

an index case in china last week has generated 300 positives....all infected before he became ill
all that chinee kissy kissy I dont doubt

[TonyV]

I will get vaccine as soon as I can, but I'm pretty low down the list of priories.

[Peter Pedant]

in the trial TTT
some of the vaccinated people got covid BUT none died and none made it to ITU ( two I agree are connected)

[andres]

Maybe if there had been a vaccine for the Spanish 'flu then my late uncle would not have had serious side effects for approx. 70 years after having it.

[andres]

^^^ meant to add--'have the vaccination'

[Kathyan]

Tora
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/?priority-taxon=774cee22-d896-44c1-a611-e3109cce8eae
How effective is the COVID-19 vaccine?

There is a chance you might still get or spread coronavirus even if you have the vaccine.

[woofgang]

to be fair I think there is a difference between
1. people deciding not to have a vaccine because for whatever reason they think its not safe enough....because we are all entitled to our views even if they come from dubious sources.
2. people who try to scare others into not have a vaccine because its not safe enough when they have no genuine research evidence basis for their beliefs. Again I do them the courtesy of believing that they believe what they are saying but I will challenge them at every opportunity both her and elsewhere. I also believe that these people are dangerous.
3. people who believe that Covid doesn't exist/Covid exists but the figures are being fudged for whatever reason, Covid= or is no worse than flu, that vaccine(s) is/are deliberately being made dangerous to control the population in some manner and all the other conspiracy theory toot. I vacillate over these between finding them amusing to feeling sorry for them to wanting them to just shut up and go away. In my least forgiving moments I'd also like to debate with them with a baseball bat.

[woofgang]

Kathyan" Tora
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/?priority-taxon=774cee22-d896-44c1-a611-e3109cce8eae
How effective is the COVID-19 vaccine?

There is a chance you might still get or spread coronavirus even if you have the vaccine."

This is because NO vaccine is 100% effective and not because the covid vaccine is dangerous

[jno]

you won't be able to become a Pimlico Plumber without a jab, Kathyan :-(

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/14/pimlico-plumbers-to-introduce-no-jab-no-job-work-contracts-covid

[Kathyan]

jno, I'm 70 that's never going to happen anyway!