Well Here Is A First

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537893/Mark-Duggan-coroner-invites-family-shot-gangster-help-change-police-tactics.html

It seems that the family of a gangster who was lawfully killed by the police is to now ask them to help shape recommendations on police firearms procedure.

/// Senior circuit judge Keith Cutler told The Mail on Sunday he will take ‘the unusual, perhaps unique step’ of inviting submissions from the Duggan family. ///

/// Among the issues he will seek views on will be ‘training of officers and preparation for operations’. ///

/// The coroner in the controversial Mark Duggan inquest has said he will ask the dead man’s family to help shape recommendations on police firearms procedure. ///

Now I wonder what this family's recommendations will be?

With such sympathetic offerings as this, it would seem that if a judicial ruling on this case is granted, there is only one way it will go.

Stand by for a sacrificial scrape-goat, along with a huge payout of taxpayers money in compensation.

[woofgang]

Actually its quite a good idea. Its like any other consultation. people feel better if they feel they have been listened to, they might actually come up with something useful and you don't HAVE to do what is suggested. if it helps to prevent further violence and unrest then its a win there too.

[Zacs-Master]

I think the judge may be trying to take the emotion out of the situation and assuage the family's grief by involving them in some practical issues, whereby their anger is channelled into positive action rather than an emotional and potentially dangerous backlash.

[Gromit]

// ...he will ask the dead man’s family to help shape recommendations. //

Daily Mail putting words into others mouths. The Duggen family will be included in the consultation on recommendations. Their input will be ignored if it is not sensible. Many others will also be consulted, so the family are not changing police tactics as the DM hyperbole suggests.

The Duggen shooting may have been lawful, but that doesn't mean it wasn't without mistakes. Shooting an unarmed man being the most glaring. I hope this was a unique set of circumstances and that existing procedures are adequate. But if the police can learn from their mistake then all of us are safer.

[douglas9401]

As the dust settles and tempers cool, maybe family members will consider backing programmes in the community designed to keep their children, who are after all their responsibility, away from gangs, drugs and guns.
This of course presupposes that the tragic situation can be viewed as the culmination of a series of events and not the last five seconds taken in isolation.

[FredPuli43]

AOG, please explain on what basis, in law or otherwise (is there an extra-legal Compensation Fairy ?), we may expect ("stand by for") a huge payout of taxpayers' money in compensation.

Scrape goat? As in 'scraping the barrel'? What an appropriate typing error.

[Ric.ror]

I agree with one of the comments that the family should be asking themselves what they could have done to stop a member becoming involved in the first place.
If the family are to meet with anyone I suggest the meet with victims families instead such as the dignified mizen family

[anotheoldgit]

Chewn

They are not just taking over, they took over long ago.

[anotheoldgit]

Chewn

/// I don't agree. ///

Oh so you think that it is not too late to reverse matters when you state that "the lunatics are most definitely taking over the asylum"?

Or are you just being disagreeable for the sake of it?

[OILhead]

Makes perfect sense to me and this sort of thing should happen more often as people who know the community, the motivations, what makes people do what they do, etc. can lead to better informed, more effective outcomes than others making assumptions and stereotypes. As others have said may help defuse the situation and channel anger in a positive way and it does not mean that they are the sole people being consulted or that everything they say will be enacted - indeed it would be far more foolish not to involve them and leave them, and the community, feeling angry and unheard.

[baza]

the judge does go for the unusual, first he went along with the silence as a mark of respect ?. Now he wants the family involved in recommendations for training police officers, which will no doubt include letting the thugs shoot first.

[anotheoldgit]

Chewn

/// Did you miss the 'If this is true' bit? ///

No do you then think it is not true? if so then why was you gobsmacked?

I was only enlarging on this statement, by saying that it is more serious than that.

[anotheoldgit]

OILhead

/// Makes perfect sense to me and this sort of thing should happen more often as people who know the community, the motivations, what makes people do what they do, etc. ///

Then perhaps we should go a stage further and have a family member of the criminal in the Jury Room so as to provide their thoughts, or perhaps one retiring with the Judge to his chambers, so as to discuss matters over a G&T?

[Zacs-Master]

Such a shame when a question worthy of sensible discussion descends pads very quickly into far fetched extrapolation.

[anotheoldgit]

Perhaps it would be less costly both in monies and resources to deem certain areas no go areas for the police, and just let them sort out their own problems under the strict understanding that if they bring their lawlessness into other areas they will be clamped down on from a great hight?

After all what have the rest of us got to lose?

'Sarcasm'

[Zacs-Master]

.....and sarcasm