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This Non Britain, Is Released And Heading For Britain.
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I wonder who will be picking up the bill when this Saudi Arabian, sues for compensation?
I wonder who will be picking up the bill when this Saudi Arabian, sues for compensation?
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///I would imagine the same applies with Intel gathering by those who earn their crust in anti-terrorism measures and no more what is happening in the real world ....///
.....and are still unable, after several years of doing so, to build any sort of case against this one individual; and actually, found that he should have been released in 2007!!!
.....and are still unable, after several years of doing so, to build any sort of case against this one individual; and actually, found that he should have been released in 2007!!!
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JTH
Do you know for sure that it was the intent to build a case at the end of the day.?
Could he have been detained for other purposes which would be more useful to the Intelligence and Security Agencies in the furtherance of their work.
What do you know of what goes on in the murky,dirty world of counter espionage and intelligence. Only a small part that you and I,thankfully,are allowed to read.!!
Some mouth off about other's human rights and some keep quiet and thank God there are people out their prepared to dirty working the world of dirty people to keep my family safe.
Do you know for sure that it was the intent to build a case at the end of the day.?
Could he have been detained for other purposes which would be more useful to the Intelligence and Security Agencies in the furtherance of their work.
What do you know of what goes on in the murky,dirty world of counter espionage and intelligence. Only a small part that you and I,thankfully,are allowed to read.!!
Some mouth off about other's human rights and some keep quiet and thank God there are people out their prepared to dirty working the world of dirty people to keep my family safe.
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"He was denied a legal process"
yeah a legal process that would in all probability have let him and all the others who just happened to be in the "wrong place at the wrong time" , loose to carry on plotting and planning and god know what else..lawyers know a good earner, they couldnt care less about the consequences of their actions..
yeah a legal process that would in all probability have let him and all the others who just happened to be in the "wrong place at the wrong time" , loose to carry on plotting and planning and god know what else..lawyers know a good earner, they couldnt care less about the consequences of their actions..
// Gromit, terrorism is a dirty business. Sometimes we have to get our hands dirty as well. //
The fight against terrorism is best served by capturing terrorists. Not jailing and torturing people who were there building a school for girls.
If you do capture genuine terrorists, the best thing to do is prosecute them and lock them up for life. The wrong thing to do is to just let them go.
The fight against terrorism is best served by capturing terrorists. Not jailing and torturing people who were there building a school for girls.
If you do capture genuine terrorists, the best thing to do is prosecute them and lock them up for life. The wrong thing to do is to just let them go.
///yeah a legal process that would in all probability have let him and all the others who just happened to be in the "wrong place at the wrong time" , loose to carry on plotting and planning and god know what else. ///
You've already said that you have no evidence upon which to base his guilt, I wonder quite why you are so insistent that Aamer *must* be guilty of any terrorist offences, at all?
You've already said that you have no evidence upon which to base his guilt, I wonder quite why you are so insistent that Aamer *must* be guilty of any terrorist offences, at all?
How's the last hero of AB's rabid left whingers getting on. ;-)
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Not the best example you could have chosen.
Jamal Al-Harith, born Ronald Fiddler in Manchester was found in a Kabul jail when the Americans invaded. The Taliban thought he was a British spy. The Red Cross got him out of jail and handed him to the British Embassy. They arranged for him to fly home, but at Kabul airport, the US picked him up and renditioned him to Guantanamo Bay.
It could have been during his two years of torture he decided if he ever got out he would try to kill as many Americans as he could.
Not the best example you could have chosen.
Jamal Al-Harith, born Ronald Fiddler in Manchester was found in a Kabul jail when the Americans invaded. The Taliban thought he was a British spy. The Red Cross got him out of jail and handed him to the British Embassy. They arranged for him to fly home, but at Kabul airport, the US picked him up and renditioned him to Guantanamo Bay.
It could have been during his two years of torture he decided if he ever got out he would try to kill as many Americans as he could.
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divebuddy,
The compound where Bin Laden was killed was a Pakistani jail. No one had heard from him for years because the Pakistanis had him under arrest.
The plan was to hand him over to the Americans at a convenient time, but the Americans didn't want him alive. He was assassinated in his prison cell to stop him talking.
The compound where Bin Laden was killed was a Pakistani jail. No one had heard from him for years because the Pakistanis had him under arrest.
The plan was to hand him over to the Americans at a convenient time, but the Americans didn't want him alive. He was assassinated in his prison cell to stop him talking.
divebuddy - //In my cynical world the best outcome would have been to convince the world that he had been shot, when in reality he had been spirited away for a cosy chat, before the being shot bit became a fact.
Why faff about with what would be a show trial just to lock him up. Would we have put Hitler behind bars. No, he would have been hung. //
Your 'cynical world' view works a treat while you are tapping on your keyboard safe in the arms of a democratic country.
But what if you - through no fault of your own - found yourself spirited away on terrorist suspicion with no trial, no jury, and no sentence - what price your gung ho approach then?
The definition of 'terrorism' depends whose rifle barrel you are looking down.
Why faff about with what would be a show trial just to lock him up. Would we have put Hitler behind bars. No, he would have been hung. //
Your 'cynical world' view works a treat while you are tapping on your keyboard safe in the arms of a democratic country.
But what if you - through no fault of your own - found yourself spirited away on terrorist suspicion with no trial, no jury, and no sentence - what price your gung ho approach then?
The definition of 'terrorism' depends whose rifle barrel you are looking down.
So "due process" cost the UK £1 million. Not a bargain of the century was it?
A bullet only costs a £1 and thats what he could well end up getting from Mr Putin's finest.
So it seems the U.S. are non too trustful of the UK security sevice's ability to monitor terrorist suspects who have been released or entered the UK. That is one of the reasons,they say,why they kept hold of Shaker so long.
Not for no good reason do they refer to London as "Londanistan".
How often have I read that our own home grown scum who plant bombs in the underground,"slipped under the radar" or a terorist escapes from court in a burkah and returned to Syria who "slipped under the radar"
Let the U.S. keep them and do with them what they will.
Just don't go to a war zone if you are not in the military and have a proveable reason for being there.
A bullet only costs a £1 and thats what he could well end up getting from Mr Putin's finest.
So it seems the U.S. are non too trustful of the UK security sevice's ability to monitor terrorist suspects who have been released or entered the UK. That is one of the reasons,they say,why they kept hold of Shaker so long.
Not for no good reason do they refer to London as "Londanistan".
How often have I read that our own home grown scum who plant bombs in the underground,"slipped under the radar" or a terorist escapes from court in a burkah and returned to Syria who "slipped under the radar"
Let the U.S. keep them and do with them what they will.
Just don't go to a war zone if you are not in the military and have a proveable reason for being there.
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retrocop - //Let the U.S. keep them and do with them what they will. //
You seem to have the same lasses-faire attitude to people doing as they wish to 'them'.
But remember, to 'them' - we are the 'them' - but you seem a little less impressed when they adopt the same attitude to life and limb of our citizens and military personnel.
You can't have it both ways - either the world we live in makes every attempt to be fair and just to its occupants, or those with the biggest guns and bombs - or the biggest hatred of people who don't live as they do - get to do what they want to who they want.
You seem to be OK if it is being done to 'them' - but unwilling for 'them' to adopt the same tactics with 'us'.
It's an attitude like that which starts the levels of resentment on which terrorism thrives. ('Theirs' that is, not 'ours' - to avoid any confusion).
You seem to have the same lasses-faire attitude to people doing as they wish to 'them'.
But remember, to 'them' - we are the 'them' - but you seem a little less impressed when they adopt the same attitude to life and limb of our citizens and military personnel.
You can't have it both ways - either the world we live in makes every attempt to be fair and just to its occupants, or those with the biggest guns and bombs - or the biggest hatred of people who don't live as they do - get to do what they want to who they want.
You seem to be OK if it is being done to 'them' - but unwilling for 'them' to adopt the same tactics with 'us'.
It's an attitude like that which starts the levels of resentment on which terrorism thrives. ('Theirs' that is, not 'ours' - to avoid any confusion).
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