Some Action Must Be Taken

[sp1814]

After a terrorist attack, some people say that 'action must be taken', and that 'the West must wake up'.

These are abstracts - can anyone explain in (without the use of abstractions) what specifically they mean by 'action'.

[jno]

well, there's already a thread hereabouts saying mosques should be closed down or Islam should be banned altogether.

Even being crucified didn't deter early Christians, so I think that's angry Islamophobia rather than an actual solution.

There might be something to be said for better monitoring of people already on watch lists. I'm still not clear if yesterday's attacker was such a person, but I must admit my instant response was to wonder if he was.

[maggiebee]

I have absolutely no idea what the phrase means. I can't think of anything I personally could do, but would expect those in power to step up security.

[woofgang]

I have a feeling that this was not an organised terrorist attack, rather one unstable person. Assuming that they did this because of their “faith” closing down one faith will only lead to their getting their motivation from a different one.

[-Talbot-]

Obvioulsy another cunning trap to capture the nasty far right.



Do you think everything will turn out fine if we just sit back and wait for the Islamist terrorist to get bored of killing people, sp?

[hc4361]

Banning a religion (or all religion) never works. The believers feel more persecuted and more faithful - they are driven 'underground' making it harder for security services to keep track of the bad eggs.

[-Talbot-]

I wouldn't build one more religious building ... idiots can pray to the idiot in chief in the sky all they want from home.
I would definitely ban all faith schools.

[anneasquith]

We could start by distinguishing the difference between Moslems and terrorists.

[Samjenko]

go on then, anne, you start.

[-Talbot-]

no* more ... obviously.

[sunny-dave]

I think most people mean :

1. Close all the mosques and islamic 'faith' schools
2. Require everyone in the UK to swear on a bible (and a koran if they must) that they are committed to the UK and its civilised values, that they renounce terrorism and will work pro-actively to root out terrorists
3. Deport (to somewhere hot and unpleasant) anyone who jibs at (2)

I think that would satisfy most people?

[ I would have said that I'm being "ironic and over-the-top" for effect - these days my belief in the possibility of a very significant percentage of muslims being part of a peaceful, multi-cultural UK is under so much pressure that I'm not sure about my views at all - beyond despair ]

[piggynose]

its a case of tit for tat. well thats what the spanish press reckon. while syria continues to be bombed there will be more attacks in europe.
so whats the solution? withdraw from syria or?

[-Talbot-]

This bloke was British .... still waiting for and explanation why it is important to point out 'the terrorist was home grown'


can anyone explain (without the use of abstractions) what specifically they mean by he was 'home grown'
What point are you trying to make?

[sunny-dave]

I think the point being made (which I think is so much horseshit) is that banning immigration and restricting access to the UK by foreigners will not stop the terrorism.

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

You asked:

Do you think everything will turn out fine if we just sit back and wait for the Islamist terrorist to get bored of killing people, sp?

Not at all.

What I'm asking is what specifically needs to be done to, if not eradicate the threat - but to significantly reduce it.

sunny-dave has put forward some ideas, but I don't think that they would work.

If someone wants to commit an act of terrorism, promising that they won't isn't really going to make us safer.

Same with Islamic schools - if someone is going to be radicalised, the Internet has far more scope for access to fundamentalist materials.

[hc4361]

The point they are making is that this attack was not a direct result of open borders, lack of security at ports/airports or immigration policies

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

Confused by your 11:54 post.

Who are you referring to? It looks like you're arguing with your own point.

[woofgang]

To get back to the OP’s original question...I think its one of the "things people say” Like “We need and inquiry” and “Lessons will be learned"

[-Talbot-]

That last paragraph was very brave of you , SD. Certainly not something I thought I would read from you, but I feel very much the same.
Calling everyone who shows open concern for what is happening ... bigots, racists, xenophobes etc may make the accuser feel superior but that doesn't stop the killing.

[Gromit]

Sp,
'The West need to wake up' is a particularly pointless phrase.
It infers that the West is asleep. Does anyone really think that Theresa May, the Government, anyone is not aware of the danger from Islamic terrorists?
They are acutely aware, and are doing everything they possibly can to combat it.

Obviously I realise 'Wake up' is a euphemism for far right policies like deport all muslims, close all their mosques, bomb their countries,but still it doesn't make any sense. If we did all of that, we still wouldn't be safe.

[maggiebee]

Don't think this has even been reported by the BBC. Apparently happened 2 days ago.

BEIRUT (Reuters) - At least 33 people were killed in an airstrike that hit a school sheltering displaced people near the Islamic State-held city of Raqqa, a group that monitors the war in Syria said on Wednesday.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said it believed the strike was carried out by the U.S.-led coalition against Islamic State.

Two wrongs don't make a right but we're not the only ones being targeted in the name of ??