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Are There Benefits To Staying In The Eu
i would like to know, no link..
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Whether or not anybody is ideologicall
12:07 Wed 05th Dec 2018
jim: "I've seen you say that you'd rather stay in the EU, I guess I just didn't quite believe what I was reading. My apologies for doubting your sincerity then, and thanks for answering the question. " - why do choose to miss off the important qualifier: "I've seen you say that you'd rather stay in the EU" - yes, rather than the deal on offer. "I've seen you say that you'd rather stay in the EU" - full stop. You are a reasonably intelligent person Jim why do you try and indulge in silliness that a 5 year old would spot?
the eu as it stands will crash like the roman empire, expansionist
idealism always fails, the west subsidises the eastern part of the eu.
why..did we need romania and all the other basket case countries..no
the eu accounts have never been or will pass the auditors, ever wonder why..corruption mismanagement payola, who signs the checks, the eu is a giant ponzi scheme, reminds of a quote.. “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
idealism always fails, the west subsidises the eastern part of the eu.
why..did we need romania and all the other basket case countries..no
the eu accounts have never been or will pass the auditors, ever wonder why..corruption mismanagement payola, who signs the checks, the eu is a giant ponzi scheme, reminds of a quote.. “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
emmie, no not really unless we have a hard brexit, its really only germany and france who pull the proverbial strings, with the former
being the big stick so to speak or mouth and money, it's not democratic at all, example farmers will not modernize, when told they go on strike and blockade france, same with this petrol business we have seen with rioters, whole eu is a mess, the boats sinking but the officers are saying full steam ahead...
being the big stick so to speak or mouth and money, it's not democratic at all, example farmers will not modernize, when told they go on strike and blockade france, same with this petrol business we have seen with rioters, whole eu is a mess, the boats sinking but the officers are saying full steam ahead...
For the moment, at least, the EU is if anything being strengthened by the UK's departure. It is interesting to read back on various opinion pieces (on AB as well as elsewhere) exploring the idea that the UK's imminent departure would be like the first domino to fall. That hasn't happened, nor even close to it.
emmie, as i said earlier the eu accounts have not been sinnged off
by auditors..but remainers say mmm only a couple of quid, so worth staying in though, bit like asking your bank err so where the other half of my money..bank..err we cannot find it, but were sure someone probably knows, wwe will get back to you on that.
by auditors..but remainers say mmm only a couple of quid, so worth staying in though, bit like asking your bank err so where the other half of my money..bank..err we cannot find it, but were sure someone probably knows, wwe will get back to you on that.
Jim to TTT, //On that subject though, TTT, would you *really* rather stay in the EU than accept this deal?
I suppose what I am asking is how ideologically committed are you to Brexit.//
Is that a joke question? In ‘negotiating’, the choice of the electorate has been blatantly ignored so the ideology of Brexit isn’t part of the equation. Like TTT I would sooner be ‘out’ – right out – but I too think we would be better off to stay rather than accept this deal. The choices, neither of which Brexiters want, are staying on the same terms or staying on even less beneficial terms.
I suppose what I am asking is how ideologically committed are you to Brexit.//
Is that a joke question? In ‘negotiating’, the choice of the electorate has been blatantly ignored so the ideology of Brexit isn’t part of the equation. Like TTT I would sooner be ‘out’ – right out – but I too think we would be better off to stay rather than accept this deal. The choices, neither of which Brexiters want, are staying on the same terms or staying on even less beneficial terms.
Well, emmie, for some reason Mrs May sees her deal as "leaving". I think she's wrong. But worse than that, Mr Gove (who is supposed to be the brains of the outfit) suggests that compromises (which effectively continue our membership in all but name) are necessary. His quote was "we didn't get all the votes so we can't get all that we want". Using that logic, when the House of Commons (of which, I am led to believe, he is a member) votes on an Bill, unless the result is 650-0 the Bill cannot be passed as it stands. Yes, amendments may be tabled, but they too succeed or fall on a simple majority vote.
No, it isn't a joke question, Naomi.
It's true that the deal on offer is rotten, but what I suppose I am asking is whether or not you think it worth taking this deal if it at least gets you closer to leaving the EU than remaining would. If the answer is no, and you'd rather leave with no deal, or failing that, stay in the EU, then fair enough. I am just curious.
For the sake of clarity, when I omitted the bit about leaving with no deal from summing up TTT's position, I was not doing so in order to "indulge in silliness". It was an accidental omission, or at the very least I thought that it went without saying, and that was all. Apologies.
It's true that the deal on offer is rotten, but what I suppose I am asking is whether or not you think it worth taking this deal if it at least gets you closer to leaving the EU than remaining would. If the answer is no, and you'd rather leave with no deal, or failing that, stay in the EU, then fair enough. I am just curious.
For the sake of clarity, when I omitted the bit about leaving with no deal from summing up TTT's position, I was not doing so in order to "indulge in silliness". It was an accidental omission, or at the very least I thought that it went without saying, and that was all. Apologies.
"...what I suppose I am asking is whether or not you think it worth taking this deal if it at least gets you closer to leaving the EU than remaining would."
But it doesn't get us closer to leaving. If anything it gets us closer to remaining because we cannot derogate from the new Treaty without the permission of the EU. It is simply swapping one set of requirements (which we could leave properly if we went about it in the right way) for a very similar set which we can't.
When listening to Mrs May (which I try to avoid wherever possible) it is quite clear that she believes that people who voted to leave did so entirely because of immigration. She is completely wrong but that may explain why the only one of her original "red lines" that has seemingly not been crossed by this agreement is an end to free movement (and even this is open to some interpretation). But in contrast to that there are a number of conditions being placed on the UK, particularly in respect of Northern Ireland, that are plainly and simply unacceptable to anybody with any integrity or pride.
For the record, my preference (if there were only three choices) is entirely the same as 3Ts. What we are being told, essentially, is that we cannot leave because it would cause too much bother. Well it's the job of our politicians to make sure we can.
But it doesn't get us closer to leaving. If anything it gets us closer to remaining because we cannot derogate from the new Treaty without the permission of the EU. It is simply swapping one set of requirements (which we could leave properly if we went about it in the right way) for a very similar set which we can't.
When listening to Mrs May (which I try to avoid wherever possible) it is quite clear that she believes that people who voted to leave did so entirely because of immigration. She is completely wrong but that may explain why the only one of her original "red lines" that has seemingly not been crossed by this agreement is an end to free movement (and even this is open to some interpretation). But in contrast to that there are a number of conditions being placed on the UK, particularly in respect of Northern Ireland, that are plainly and simply unacceptable to anybody with any integrity or pride.
For the record, my preference (if there were only three choices) is entirely the same as 3Ts. What we are being told, essentially, is that we cannot leave because it would cause too much bother. Well it's the job of our politicians to make sure we can.
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