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Can We Just Stop With This Nonsense.
the attacker as in his 30s or 40s, with short, dark, curly hair, a tanned complexion and a short beard.
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Wow, took an hour out and missed three pages ...
Ellipsis > Does this arrest harm or help social cohesion?
naomi24 > Clearly it helps it. You’re falling for it, as is spath. Job done.
What am I falling for???
I'm sorry, I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not. I'll assume you're not and take your answer ("it helps it") at face value, in which case: If the *arrest* of a Pakistani/Moslem/Asian is *helpful* to social cohesion, how could the *naming* of a Pakistani/Moslem/Asian prior to arrest be *harmful* to social cohesion, unless that naming was without sufficient evidence, in which case it would look like prejudice against the social group being named? And how does that arrest stack up with your earlier claim that police are trying avoid bringing certain religious or racial groups to justice?
Let's boil this down to a couple of simple questions:
1) in general, do you trust that the police are doing their job to the best of their abilities?
2) specifically relating to crimes committed by Moslems, do you trust that the police are doing their job to the best of their abilities?
Ellipsis > Does this arrest harm or help social cohesion?
naomi24 > Clearly it helps it. You’re falling for it, as is spath. Job done.
What am I falling for???
I'm sorry, I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not. I'll assume you're not and take your answer ("it helps it") at face value, in which case: If the *arrest* of a Pakistani/Moslem/Asian is *helpful* to social cohesion, how could the *naming* of a Pakistani/Moslem/Asian prior to arrest be *harmful* to social cohesion, unless that naming was without sufficient evidence, in which case it would look like prejudice against the social group being named? And how does that arrest stack up with your earlier claim that police are trying avoid bringing certain religious or racial groups to justice?
Let's boil this down to a couple of simple questions:
1) in general, do you trust that the police are doing their job to the best of their abilities?
2) specifically relating to crimes committed by Moslems, do you trust that the police are doing their job to the best of their abilities?
To be fair danys response has gravity.
Who else can set the scene, who else knows? Anyone else was there? Well they're an accomplice then if they were!
The victim was a 14 year old girl. She must of given a description, so the one the police also gave must have came from that, or is the same words as that.
Who else can set the scene, who else knows? Anyone else was there? Well they're an accomplice then if they were!
The victim was a 14 year old girl. She must of given a description, so the one the police also gave must have came from that, or is the same words as that.
I am unsure what the point of this thread was, and that unsureness is compounded by the way in which it has unfolded.
It appears that Talbot takes issue with the description the police have issued regarding a rape suspect - and that others are convinced that the police are deliberately avoiding describing the suspect accurately in order to avoid perceived racial sensibilities.
As I have pointed out, I think it reasonable to assume that the police are offering the description that the victim has given them - and that is proper procedure.
Can you imagine what a good defence council would do at trial, if the police had, uninvited, and without corroborated testimony, talked up the suspect's appearance to be that of an Asian man? Defence would scream a predjudicial racist approach from the police without reasonable cause, and would be agreed with by the court.
Not an ideal start to a prosecution, so the police are probably bright enough to avoid that particular nightmare by simply going with the description the victim has offered, which is provable in court.
As far as I can see, it is as simple as that, and the spiralling conspiracy theory is just that - a conspiring conspiracy theory, without any real merit at all.
It appears that Talbot takes issue with the description the police have issued regarding a rape suspect - and that others are convinced that the police are deliberately avoiding describing the suspect accurately in order to avoid perceived racial sensibilities.
As I have pointed out, I think it reasonable to assume that the police are offering the description that the victim has given them - and that is proper procedure.
Can you imagine what a good defence council would do at trial, if the police had, uninvited, and without corroborated testimony, talked up the suspect's appearance to be that of an Asian man? Defence would scream a predjudicial racist approach from the police without reasonable cause, and would be agreed with by the court.
Not an ideal start to a prosecution, so the police are probably bright enough to avoid that particular nightmare by simply going with the description the victim has offered, which is provable in court.
As far as I can see, it is as simple as that, and the spiralling conspiracy theory is just that - a conspiring conspiracy theory, without any real merit at all.
Can you imagine what a good defence council would do at trial, if the police had, uninvited, and without corroborated testimony, talked up the suspect's appearance to be that of an Asian man? Defence would scream a predjudicial racist approach from the police without reasonable cause, and would be agreed with by the court.
Do you actually believe what you are typing, andy?
Do you actually believe what you are typing, andy?
Talbot, Andy is right. Imagine a defence barrister putting to the witness " What made you think that my client was ----" and the witness replied" I didn't, I told the policeman that he looked sunburnt" To which the barrister(if he was any good) remarked " Oh! and it makes one wonder what else the policeman has made up" This happens and I have seen it at first hand.
danny - // Talbot, Andy is right. Imagine a defence barrister putting to the witness " What made you think that my client was ----" and the witness replied" I didn't, I told the policeman that he looked sunburnt" To which the barrister(if he was any good) remarked " Oh! and it makes one wonder what else the policeman has made up" This happens and I have seen it at first hand. //
Thank you, I can see that you understand the point I am making.
Any defence barrister worthy of the name is going to jump all over clear evidence that the police have taken a victim's description and embellished it in order to see his client arrested on the basis of the police assumption of his ethnicity, not the description offered to them by the victim.
Obviously the police are not that naive - as to some posters on this thread, that is a matter for debate.
Thank you, I can see that you understand the point I am making.
Any defence barrister worthy of the name is going to jump all over clear evidence that the police have taken a victim's description and embellished it in order to see his client arrested on the basis of the police assumption of his ethnicity, not the description offered to them by the victim.
Obviously the police are not that naive - as to some posters on this thread, that is a matter for debate.
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