Je Ne Suis Pas Charlie

[Khandro]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1409450/queen-elizabeth-ii-news-meghan-markle-charlie-hebdo-cover-oprah-interview-george-floyd

[Zacs-Master]

‘ an individual remains innocent until proven guilty’

He wasn’t very ‘innocent’ tho, was he.......
George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest
Floyd has more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail for atleast 5 times
George Floyd was the ringleader of a violent home invasion
He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offense, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
He had another stint for a theft in August 1998

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - // ‘ an individual remains innocent until proven guilty’

He wasn’t very ‘innocent’ tho, was he....... //

First of all, you can't be 'very innocent' - innocence is an absolute, you are either innocent or you are not.

And to repeat, regardless of Mr Floyd's extensive and colourful criminal past, at the time of his death he was not charged or tried for any offence, so in the eyes of the law, he was innocent.

I know you'd like him not to be innocent based on his past, but that is not how it works - you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and Mr Floyd was not permitted that process, so his innocence is enshrined within the legal system.

You may not like it, clearly you do not, but you don't have to like it for it to be a fact.

[woofgang]

None of what he did excuses or justifies his death at the hands of a police officer. None of it.

[Khandro]

Floyd was a bad dude, but why is his situation being compared to that of the Queen?

[Jackdaw33]

It isn't - it's being compared to that of Meghan.

[Zacs-Master]

Give it a rest, Andy, he was a ‘wrong un’. Live by the sword......

[jim360]

That's what's known as victim-blaming. Nothing he did warranted a summary execution, and nothing he did excuses Chauvin from responsibility for, at the very least, manslaughter or equivalent charges.

[Bobbisox1]

The only ones mourning him should be his family, there's no getting away from the fact he was a brute who thought it ' normal' to hold a knife at the belly of a pregnant woman !
Innocent my aris!

[Jackdaw33]

It wasn't a 'summary execution'. It was incompetence by the officer which had fatal consequences. Anyway this thread is drifting seriously off-topic. It is not about Lloyd but about the cartoon and its portrayal of the Queen.

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - //
Give it a rest, Andy, he was a ‘wrong un’. Live by the sword...... //

If Mr Floyd was actually 'living by the sword' as you put it, he might have been robbed or assaulted by one or more criminals.

But that's not what happened - he died at the hands of an officer of the law, and if that is allowed to pass on the basis that Mr Floyd was, as you phrase it, a 'wrong'un', then law enforcement, an essential plank in the construction of a civilsed society, is on a slippery slope to a world where the manner ofa man's death is judged on how he lived - and that is not a world I would want to live in.

[Bobbisox1]

And it's similarities JD but yes, you are correct

[andy-hughes]

Bobbisox - // ... there's no getting away from the fact he was a brute who thought it ' normal' to hold a knife at the belly of a pregnant woman !
Innocent my aris! //

No-one is trying to 'get away' from the fact that Mr Floyd was a violent criminal, but that does not mean that his death under those circumsatnces at the hands of a police officer can go unchalleneged.

I know you don't like the fact of his innocence at the time of his death, but the system doesn't allow you to be punished for a crime, and then die brutally because of something you have done in your past, and paid for.

[DTCwordfan]

I am cancelling my subscription forthwith.

Oops, that's reserved for Private Eye.

Bet we have had some distasteful digs at the French in the past....

[Mozz71]

I agree with JD. There's a perfectly good thread about George Floyd running at the moment, this one doesn't need to turn into another.

[pastafreak]

I'd always thought that political satire was part of the grand tradition of British humour and that most monarchs had/have been made fun of. George lll was portrayed in any number of rude positions. Is it different if the ridicule comes from another country?

[douglas9401]

Poppycock balderdash and drivel dressed up as deep thought abound today.

[Khandro]

pasta; //I'd always thought that political satire was part of the grand tradition of British humour and that most monarchs had/have been made fun of.//

A lot of monarchs deserved it - the Queen doesn't!

I wonder how you would feel if your mother was portrayed in such a scurrilous manner for something of which she was completely innocent?

[andy-hughes]

douglas - // Poppycock balderdash and drivel dressed up as deep thought abound today. //

Don't worry about it, we are a tolerent bunch on here, don't be too hard on yourself.

Have a cuppa and a sit down, and then you can try and do better a bit later on ...

[ichkeria]

I can see why some mightn’t like it but I read the comments before looking at the cartoon and thought it must be something much worse.
I can’t really see the fuss to be honest. That’s what Charlie Hebdo does: they’ve never been subtle.

[DTCwordfan]

Neither has Private Eye been short of a barbed cover either - recently, this one: https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/covers/full/1541_big.jpg