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This Is Incredible !!!
Nigel Farage may be hounded out of the UK
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It seems that any suspicion gives banks the right to close accounts, without explanation, to avoid risk, even when such suspicion/
23:20 Fri 30th Jun 2023
One of the things I wish people here would appreciate is that even minority communities aren't monoliths. The LGBTQ+ community has multiple divisions, perspectives, etc. First and foremost, because everyone who is LGBTQ+ is a person, then it follows that because some people are just jerks, some LGBTQ+ people are also. And because some people are loud (and also jerks), then some LGBTQ+ people are also. But treating loud jerks as representative of the entire community is just wrong. Treating some of the discourse on the internet, and particularly on Twitter (one of the biggest cesspits of the internet), as representative of the general debate on this topic (or any other) is just wrong.
And, for that matter, arguing that death threats on the internet, worthy of condemnation as they are, represent the peak of being "hostile, aggressive, unpleasant and discriminating" is also plainly wrong.
And, for that matter, arguing that death threats on the internet, worthy of condemnation as they are, represent the peak of being "hostile, aggressive, unpleasant and discriminating" is also plainly wrong.
I think the, "assumed innocent until proven", rule applies to Nigel. He has been mistreated by having the right to financial services removed, I hope that could be agreed upon. He has been given no clear explanation, again, hopefully that can be agreed upon. So it hardly needs faith to believe that something is amiss. And circumstantial evidence of what it might be makes it reasonable to speculate on what is being hidden. We are not naive, presently it doesn't put those responsible in a good light.
// MEPs yesterday (15 April 2014) established a legal right under which all persons legally residing in the European Union will be entitled to hold a basic bank account, allowing them to make payments online, withdraw cash from an ATM and even go overdrawn. Once the rules come into force, member states must ensure that enough banks within the national market offer such an account, regardless of the applicant’s nationality or place of residence. But during negotiations with MEPs, member states secured concessions that could oblige applicants to provide information permitting screening for criminal activities. //
Farage had a notoriously poor attendance and voting record as an MEP so it is unlikely he voted for every citizen to have a access to a bank account.
Academic now we are not longer in the EU, but fun to ponder.
Farage had a notoriously poor attendance and voting record as an MEP so it is unlikely he voted for every citizen to have a access to a bank account.
Academic now we are not longer in the EU, but fun to ponder.
// I think the, "assumed innocent until proven", rule applies to Nigel.//
It does, but he is not at this point being directly accused of criminal conduct, which is where the protection above applies.
// He has been mistreated by having the right to financial services removed, I hope that could be agreed upon.//
As I explained earlier, by laying out T&Cs from Barclays (bank) and Nationwide (Building Society), such institutions have the right to withdraw their financial services under certain circumstances by closing a customers' account (with usually two months' notice, but sometimes less) -- and, by extension, to refuse service for the same reasons.
// He has been given no clear explanation, again, hopefully that can be agreed upon. //
The same T&Cs also lay out that clear explanations may not be given if the bank feels that there is a reason not to do so.
I *do* agree that the mere fact that these things are permissible doesn't necessarily mean that they have been applied correctly in this case. And, absent further information from the bank(s), which may not be forthcoming, I also agree that there's plenty of room for speculation. Finally, I agree that *if* this were merely due to the application of political pressure, with no other concrete motivation, then it would be an abuse of that power.
But the starting point for me is that there are circumstances in which banks have acted properly by closing Farage's account, or by refusing to open one. And I don't see any reason at the moment to believe that the more plausible explanation is that multiple banks have abused their powers in order to pursue, or to enable others to pursue, some petty political agenda.
It does, but he is not at this point being directly accused of criminal conduct, which is where the protection above applies.
// He has been mistreated by having the right to financial services removed, I hope that could be agreed upon.//
As I explained earlier, by laying out T&Cs from Barclays (bank) and Nationwide (Building Society), such institutions have the right to withdraw their financial services under certain circumstances by closing a customers' account (with usually two months' notice, but sometimes less) -- and, by extension, to refuse service for the same reasons.
// He has been given no clear explanation, again, hopefully that can be agreed upon. //
The same T&Cs also lay out that clear explanations may not be given if the bank feels that there is a reason not to do so.
I *do* agree that the mere fact that these things are permissible doesn't necessarily mean that they have been applied correctly in this case. And, absent further information from the bank(s), which may not be forthcoming, I also agree that there's plenty of room for speculation. Finally, I agree that *if* this were merely due to the application of political pressure, with no other concrete motivation, then it would be an abuse of that power.
But the starting point for me is that there are circumstances in which banks have acted properly by closing Farage's account, or by refusing to open one. And I don't see any reason at the moment to believe that the more plausible explanation is that multiple banks have abused their powers in order to pursue, or to enable others to pursue, some petty political agenda.
I don't think financial institutions close bank accounts, and others won't open them, for no reason. There will be a reason.
The question really is, should they be required to give a reason and, if so, to whom?
I believe that many people have had their bank accounts closed for many years - decades -without a reason being given. Farage is not the first and won't be the last. Should he be a special case, or should everyone have an explanation if their bank account is closed?
The question really is, should they be required to give a reason and, if so, to whom?
I believe that many people have had their bank accounts closed for many years - decades -without a reason being given. Farage is not the first and won't be the last. Should he be a special case, or should everyone have an explanation if their bank account is closed?
// Farage is not the first and won't be the last. Should he be a special case, or should everyone have an explanation if their bank account is closed? //
I don't think that high-profile people should get special treatment as a result of being high-profile. Although sometimes it can be beneficial for a high-profile person to be a "victim" of what turns out to be unfair treatment, because it makes it more likely to expose that unfair treatment and deal with it accordingly (whether that's relevant in this specific case I don't care to say).
I don't think that high-profile people should get special treatment as a result of being high-profile. Although sometimes it can be beneficial for a high-profile person to be a "victim" of what turns out to be unfair treatment, because it makes it more likely to expose that unfair treatment and deal with it accordingly (whether that's relevant in this specific case I don't care to say).
Lots of pre-Farage articles about this. Try this one from 2018, for example:
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Farage claims he has been identified as a PEP. This is the law society’s website giving advice to companies / institutions who believe one of their clients is a PEP:
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Note the bit where the law society say:
‘ Situations which might suggest you have a PEP client include:
receiving funds in the retainer from a government account
receiving communications on official letterhead from the client or a related person
general conversation with the client or person related to the retainer which links the person to a PEP
news reports suggesting your client is a PEP or is linked to one’
Note also the words ‘might suggest’.
Which of the above points do you think Mr F’s bank consider he ‘might’ have been involved with?
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Note the bit where the law society say:
‘ Situations which might suggest you have a PEP client include:
receiving funds in the retainer from a government account
receiving communications on official letterhead from the client or a related person
general conversation with the client or person related to the retainer which links the person to a PEP
news reports suggesting your client is a PEP or is linked to one’
Note also the words ‘might suggest’.
Which of the above points do you think Mr F’s bank consider he ‘might’ have been involved with?
It's the formulation "innocent until proven guilty" that applies only to (Criminal) Courts. That second part is important. Obviously, banks (and other companies in general) shouldn't habitually treat their customers, or potential customers, as guilty of something by default, but they shouldn't be held to a *criminal* standard of proof in order to justify denying custom.
.Nigel has the carefully anglicised Arabic name of Faraj that he's been singled out.
now jno that is very odd.
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Here is poor Dr Yamey writing a rib tickler ( gut buster) in the BMJ about being stopped at a US airport for possible terrorism in Nizeria ( sic). 2003.
Only partial but you get the flavveeerrrrr!
I did not comment in the BMJ but wrote to him, having checked, that his name cd be in Arabic - al-yawmi
and that WOULD trigger the computer alarms
He sniggered prettily and carried on his career as a scientist
so it DOES happen ! - I thought Farage was Persian, I mean who would think that Johnson was Armenian?
now jno that is very odd.
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Here is poor Dr Yamey writing a rib tickler ( gut buster) in the BMJ about being stopped at a US airport for possible terrorism in Nizeria ( sic). 2003.
Only partial but you get the flavveeerrrrr!
I did not comment in the BMJ but wrote to him, having checked, that his name cd be in Arabic - al-yawmi
and that WOULD trigger the computer alarms
He sniggered prettily and carried on his career as a scientist
so it DOES happen ! - I thought Farage was Persian, I mean who would think that Johnson was Armenian?
but they shouldn't be held to a *criminal* standard of proof in order to justify denying custom.
Keep hammering Kler' ( that is scouse for Clare)
no one does criminal now - GMC, naughty solicitors, employment are all balance of probablities.
SAR for money laundering is suspicion defined as 'anything NOT fanciful'
Arrest is suspicion see above - a one cack-up inquiry , a witness said he had not arrested X ( poss the one who killed steven lawrence) because he didnt have reasonable grounds.....
There were gasps of disbelief in the tribunal audience as a detective inspector clearlu did NOT know the hurdle for arrest.
Keep hammering Kler' ( that is scouse for Clare)
no one does criminal now - GMC, naughty solicitors, employment are all balance of probablities.
SAR for money laundering is suspicion defined as 'anything NOT fanciful'
Arrest is suspicion see above - a one cack-up inquiry , a witness said he had not arrested X ( poss the one who killed steven lawrence) because he didnt have reasonable grounds.....
There were gasps of disbelief in the tribunal audience as a detective inspector clearlu did NOT know the hurdle for arrest.
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The first part of this article is slightly irrelevant as most institutions will black-ball you for rudeness or aggression but the final paragraphs are not irrelevant.
Are these two people allegedly receiving Russian Money as well or have they also had their accounts closed just because of their Political affiliations?
The final sentence is telling.
“If they are coming for me today, they can come for you tomorrow. If you were to post a political opinion on social media that did not conform to your bank’s ‘values’, you could find yourself in my position.”
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Two former Brexit Party MEPs have revealed how their bank accounts were also cancelled after they were elected to the EU Parliament in 2019.
Henrik Overgaard Nielsen said MetroBank severed ties with him “without an explanation” after “months of paying bills on time and having stable income and outgoings”.
Christina Jordan added that, months after she was elected for the Eurosceptic party, she suffered a similar fate at the hands of the Nationwide Building Society.
“My family and I had all our accounts closed even though I’d been a loyal customer for 30 years,” she wrote on Twitter.
“To those cheering and celebrating the cancellation of Nigel Farage’s bank accounts, let’s hope it never happens to you.”
The first part of this article is slightly irrelevant as most institutions will black-ball you for rudeness or aggression but the final paragraphs are not irrelevant.
Are these two people allegedly receiving Russian Money as well or have they also had their accounts closed just because of their Political affiliations?
The final sentence is telling.
“If they are coming for me today, they can come for you tomorrow. If you were to post a political opinion on social media that did not conform to your bank’s ‘values’, you could find yourself in my position.”
To view this content, you'll need to update your privacy settings.
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Two former Brexit Party MEPs have revealed how their bank accounts were also cancelled after they were elected to the EU Parliament in 2019.
Henrik Overgaard Nielsen said MetroBank severed ties with him “without an explanation” after “months of paying bills on time and having stable income and outgoings”.
Christina Jordan added that, months after she was elected for the Eurosceptic party, she suffered a similar fate at the hands of the Nationwide Building Society.
“My family and I had all our accounts closed even though I’d been a loyal customer for 30 years,” she wrote on Twitter.
“To those cheering and celebrating the cancellation of Nigel Farage’s bank accounts, let’s hope it never happens to you.”
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