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What does Islam have to say about Muslim men marrying non-muslim men who are not "people of the book" ( ie christian or jewish?)
What does Islam have to say about Muslim women marrying non-muslim men? and what reason does it give for this guidance?
What religion should the children of a marriage between a muslim man and a non-muslim female be brought up in? Or should they be allowed to choose for themselves?
There you go, Lightbulb - separate thread. What does your religion tell you about these issues?
What does Islam have to say about Muslim women marrying non-muslim men? and what reason does it give for this guidance?
What religion should the children of a marriage between a muslim man and a non-muslim female be brought up in? Or should they be allowed to choose for themselves?
There you go, Lightbulb - separate thread. What does your religion tell you about these issues?
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I love this fanciful notion of yours that we work in shifts, Keyplus. I suspect that it is founded in the same paranoia that claims that Malala was shot by the CIA or other such nonsense.
If the questions have been answered before, then it should be no effort at all to either answer them again or provide a link, should it?
Instead, all we see is avoidance and playing up the victimhood angle.
Elements of the Islamic teaching is sexist.There can be no doubts about that at all. There can be no other explanation for the double standards over marrying outside of their religion for muslim men or muslim women. Those who promote or defend Islam, defend these practices, are sexist.
If the questions have been answered before, then it should be no effort at all to either answer them again or provide a link, should it?
Instead, all we see is avoidance and playing up the victimhood angle.
Elements of the Islamic teaching is sexist.There can be no doubts about that at all. There can be no other explanation for the double standards over marrying outside of their religion for muslim men or muslim women. Those who promote or defend Islam, defend these practices, are sexist.
@Keyplus
Well it does not take a great deal of research on your part to look back just through this thread and see the questions I posed to Lightbulb, does it?
How about instead of asking me to restate those same questions again, you look back a page or so?, Oh,and answer v_e's questions too, whilst you are at it.
Well it does not take a great deal of research on your part to look back just through this thread and see the questions I posed to Lightbulb, does it?
How about instead of asking me to restate those same questions again, you look back a page or so?, Oh,and answer v_e's questions too, whilst you are at it.
Keyplus, //I can't be bothered to go back looking where it is ……When was that?//
I can’t be bothered to go back looking either.
Ok, I’ll repeat the question. You and Lightbulb say that Islam doesn’t discriminate against women, so if Muslim men are allowed to marry 'people of the book', why aren’t women allowed to do the same?
I can’t be bothered to go back looking either.
Ok, I’ll repeat the question. You and Lightbulb say that Islam doesn’t discriminate against women, so if Muslim men are allowed to marry 'people of the book', why aren’t women allowed to do the same?
Simple way of answering your question would be this link that explains everything. Now I am not expecting you to agree with it and I know you never will.
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And you ask me to answer Vetustee’s question. The only thing I can say for that is that by having Idols Hindus are going against their own religion as their religious books say very clearly that God has no image. And to answer her second question, if she believes that opinion of someone lived 1400 years ago should not be relevant to other people then why very simply her opinion should be relevant to someone else? No one is asking her to dress according to the opinion of a man 1400 years ago and if someone is doing then that has nothing to do with her.
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And you ask me to answer Vetustee’s question. The only thing I can say for that is that by having Idols Hindus are going against their own religion as their religious books say very clearly that God has no image. And to answer her second question, if she believes that opinion of someone lived 1400 years ago should not be relevant to other people then why very simply her opinion should be relevant to someone else? No one is asking her to dress according to the opinion of a man 1400 years ago and if someone is doing then that has nothing to do with her.
Keyplus, I do agree with you insofar as your link tells the truth – that the men of Islam control the women of Islam – therefore, unlike men, women do not have a choice in the matter of whom they will marry - and therefore their freedoms are not equal to those of men. Thank you.
I didn’t ask you to answer vetuste_ennemi’s question - LazyGun did. Clearly, you have no conception of the complex Hindu perception of God except that which you’ve read on Islamic websites. I suggest you do a bit more homework.
Incidentally, vetuste_ennemi is a he, not a she.
I didn’t ask you to answer vetuste_ennemi’s question - LazyGun did. Clearly, you have no conception of the complex Hindu perception of God except that which you’ve read on Islamic websites. I suggest you do a bit more homework.
Incidentally, vetuste_ennemi is a he, not a she.
Yes, in Islam we love our wives, sisters, mothers and daughters. In Islam we believe these relations are not only in this world but also in the hereafter. In Islam we believe having our wives with us even after we die and perhaps that is the reason why a good number of western women like you are marrying Muslims. But obviously you being an atheist do not care about hereafter and your concept of life goes as far as enjoying what you have in this life in whatever way it suits you.
And interestingly enough I did not answer that question for as I do not waste my time on the people who have written script in front of their eyes and would only believe that and nothing else. As for Vetustee being he and not she, that does not make any difference to what the answer was. And finally as far as what I said is concerned then that is according to Hindu religious books and even reference can be given.
And interestingly enough I did not answer that question for as I do not waste my time on the people who have written script in front of their eyes and would only believe that and nothing else. As for Vetustee being he and not she, that does not make any difference to what the answer was. And finally as far as what I said is concerned then that is according to Hindu religious books and even reference can be given.
Keyplus, you’re mistaken. Women like me don’t marry into Islam – but thanks for confirming what we already knew and what you and Lightbulb have consistently denied. The rest is irrelevant.
A tip. If you want to learn about Hinduism, don’t look at Islamic websites – look at Hindu websites – but be warned – it’s a big subject.
A tip. If you want to learn about Hinduism, don’t look at Islamic websites – look at Hindu websites – but be warned – it’s a big subject.
@ Keyplus
Thanks for providing the link. I presume, since you provided the link, that you would agree with and endorse the opinion of the Imam? Because the explanation given by the Imam of why a muslim woman cannot marry outside of her faith is because she is too weak willed - such a marriage would "jeopardise her faith". The answer, incidentally, reaffirms the insularity of the abrahamic religions. The advice is clear that muslim males should only exceptionally marry outside the faith, and only then to women of other abrahmic religions.
So your faith dictates marriage practice, and demeans women by assuming they are not as strong willed as men, and reinforces that by saying it is allahs will that women are prohibited in this fashion.
Plainly mysogynistic, plainly sexist- and if you believe this and endorse it, that makes you sexist too, Keyplus.
You made an attempt to answer v_es questions, but sort of fell at the first hurdle really. You response to the question about why the opinion of someone 1400 years ago in matters of dress is relevant now was just garbled and unintelligible, to me at least. I mean, why is it forbidden by allah for men to wear gold and/or silk? So it would not be right for a bloke to wear a gold silk tie? It is plainly nonsense.
You seem to take as an article of faith ( no surprise there really) that the fact that some western women will marry muslim men, convert to islam even, offers some sort of proof that Islam cannot be sexist or mysogynistic. That simply is not true. The truth about the religion is to be found in the teachings of the Koran and the advice doled out by the Imams, and this is crystal clear - women are to be considered subordinate and subservient to men. And whilst cultural interpretations may vary somewhat when it comes to modesty dress codes, the salient fact remains that the authority for the cultural practice is derived from tradition and the faith itself.
Thanks for providing the link. I presume, since you provided the link, that you would agree with and endorse the opinion of the Imam? Because the explanation given by the Imam of why a muslim woman cannot marry outside of her faith is because she is too weak willed - such a marriage would "jeopardise her faith". The answer, incidentally, reaffirms the insularity of the abrahamic religions. The advice is clear that muslim males should only exceptionally marry outside the faith, and only then to women of other abrahmic religions.
So your faith dictates marriage practice, and demeans women by assuming they are not as strong willed as men, and reinforces that by saying it is allahs will that women are prohibited in this fashion.
Plainly mysogynistic, plainly sexist- and if you believe this and endorse it, that makes you sexist too, Keyplus.
You made an attempt to answer v_es questions, but sort of fell at the first hurdle really. You response to the question about why the opinion of someone 1400 years ago in matters of dress is relevant now was just garbled and unintelligible, to me at least. I mean, why is it forbidden by allah for men to wear gold and/or silk? So it would not be right for a bloke to wear a gold silk tie? It is plainly nonsense.
You seem to take as an article of faith ( no surprise there really) that the fact that some western women will marry muslim men, convert to islam even, offers some sort of proof that Islam cannot be sexist or mysogynistic. That simply is not true. The truth about the religion is to be found in the teachings of the Koran and the advice doled out by the Imams, and this is crystal clear - women are to be considered subordinate and subservient to men. And whilst cultural interpretations may vary somewhat when it comes to modesty dress codes, the salient fact remains that the authority for the cultural practice is derived from tradition and the faith itself.
////A tip. If you want to learn about Hinduism, don’t look at Islamic websites – look at Hindu websites – but be warned – it’s a big subject.////
I don’t look at websites, I read what religion says by reading their books. Perhaps that is what you need to do too. But then again you are not interested in first-hand knowledge are you?
When I say that we love, I did not mean that other people do not love. I was saying that in the light of hereafter something you people do not believe in.
Lazygun – You asked me a question and I tried my best to answer that. That link covered most of the things and therefore I posted that. First of all you have to accept what others believe as their own opinion. Problem is that there so many things you being an atheist do not believe and therefore you would not be able to understand. What you called weak willed is your own opinion. First and the far most important thing to understand here is that where life in this world is fine and one should always enjoy it, almost all of the religions give more importance to hereafter. As Muslims we believe that hereafter is far better and long lasting than this world. Keeping that in mind we want to marry people who believe in almost same kind of things. Permission to marry a woman of the people of the books (Jew and Christians) has its own restrictions and one need to have deeper understanding of what is and is not allowed. Then don’t forget that restrictions are not only for women, for example even men are not allowed to marry someone who for example is Hindu, Sikh or Buddhist.
It is true that in majority of the societies men are the decision makers and you can’t say that does not happen here. I will not go into details but as mentioned in that link that if a Christian or Jew woman marries a Muslim then she loses nothing as she can still believe in Jesus or Moses (pbuh). But if a Muslim woman marries either then they do not believe in Muhammad (pbuh) as a messenger.
Finally, I knew and still know that whatever I would say would never satisfy you as you just like many others here have phobia about Islam want everyone to believe and do what you believe and do. And that simply is not going to happen. I will ignore everything else you said for a very simple reason that I have heard all that before and that just shows me the frustration of the people who in one way believe that they are better than everybody else and on the other hand are worried that why the people we malign and do all of the propaganda and efforts to push back are still increasing and increasing more. Learn to see the ground realities and accept them before it is too late. Good luck.
I don’t look at websites, I read what religion says by reading their books. Perhaps that is what you need to do too. But then again you are not interested in first-hand knowledge are you?
When I say that we love, I did not mean that other people do not love. I was saying that in the light of hereafter something you people do not believe in.
Lazygun – You asked me a question and I tried my best to answer that. That link covered most of the things and therefore I posted that. First of all you have to accept what others believe as their own opinion. Problem is that there so many things you being an atheist do not believe and therefore you would not be able to understand. What you called weak willed is your own opinion. First and the far most important thing to understand here is that where life in this world is fine and one should always enjoy it, almost all of the religions give more importance to hereafter. As Muslims we believe that hereafter is far better and long lasting than this world. Keeping that in mind we want to marry people who believe in almost same kind of things. Permission to marry a woman of the people of the books (Jew and Christians) has its own restrictions and one need to have deeper understanding of what is and is not allowed. Then don’t forget that restrictions are not only for women, for example even men are not allowed to marry someone who for example is Hindu, Sikh or Buddhist.
It is true that in majority of the societies men are the decision makers and you can’t say that does not happen here. I will not go into details but as mentioned in that link that if a Christian or Jew woman marries a Muslim then she loses nothing as she can still believe in Jesus or Moses (pbuh). But if a Muslim woman marries either then they do not believe in Muhammad (pbuh) as a messenger.
Finally, I knew and still know that whatever I would say would never satisfy you as you just like many others here have phobia about Islam want everyone to believe and do what you believe and do. And that simply is not going to happen. I will ignore everything else you said for a very simple reason that I have heard all that before and that just shows me the frustration of the people who in one way believe that they are better than everybody else and on the other hand are worried that why the people we malign and do all of the propaganda and efforts to push back are still increasing and increasing more. Learn to see the ground realities and accept them before it is too late. Good luck.
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