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What does Islam have to say about Muslim men marrying non-muslim men who are not "people of the book" ( ie christian or jewish?)
What does Islam have to say about Muslim women marrying non-muslim men? and what reason does it give for this guidance?
What religion should the children of a marriage between a muslim man and a non-muslim female be brought up in? Or should they be allowed to choose for themselves?
There you go, Lightbulb - separate thread. What does your religion tell you about these issues?
What does Islam have to say about Muslim women marrying non-muslim men? and what reason does it give for this guidance?
What religion should the children of a marriage between a muslim man and a non-muslim female be brought up in? Or should they be allowed to choose for themselves?
There you go, Lightbulb - separate thread. What does your religion tell you about these issues?
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@ Keyplus - Its not an opinion though, Keyplus.
Its an observation, based upon text and responses of the Imams. The objective conclusion of the reason given why women are forbidden from marrying outside of Islam is that they are deemed too weak -willed; unable to withstand the pressure to change religion or relax religious observances applied by the husband.
This is, objectively, and by the words of your own text, sexist and mysogynistic. And if you support such tenets, that makes you sexist and mysogynistic too. You can equivocate as much as you like, attempt to rationalise, but the objective truth remains. Islam is demonstrably sexist.
A point about belief, or the lack of it. You maintain that my atheism renders me incapable of offering a considered opinion.
"Problem is that there so many things you being an atheist do not believe and therefore you would not be able to understand"
You would be wrong, on several counts. As an atheist, there are no many things that I have no belief in. On the contrary, I only have one thing I have no belief in- God. And a lack of belief does not affect my intelligence and ability to understand things.
Of course I am sceptical of the authority of religion and the need for religious practices and observances. But this does not stop me seeing objective truths, and this is evident on the issue of Islams stance on women..
And I think you are factually incorrect elsewhere, too. You highlight the restrictions on muslim males when it comes to marrying women outside of the "people of the book" as if this a good thing, and if somehow it balances out the restrictions on muslim women - But it does no such thing! And it points, once again, to the regressive nature of the religion.
"Ignoring everything else someone says" Is a sign that you are running out of arguments, Keyplus. It is the childish equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and singing lalala at the top of your voice in order to avoid hearing an unpalatable truth.
And I am still puzzled why gold and silk are forbidden colours / materials for men. Would a muslim businessman wearing a gold silk tie have transgressed the rules?
And what would happen in this following scenario? What would an Imam advise?
Young Muslim woman.living and working in the UK falls in love with a man outside her faith. Falls in love with a Hindu, let say. ( lets not blow anyones fuse and suggest, horror of horrors, an atheist!) They decide to get married. What would the imams advice be to the womans family? How would she stand in relation to her religion? Is there a punishment?
Its an observation, based upon text and responses of the Imams. The objective conclusion of the reason given why women are forbidden from marrying outside of Islam is that they are deemed too weak -willed; unable to withstand the pressure to change religion or relax religious observances applied by the husband.
This is, objectively, and by the words of your own text, sexist and mysogynistic. And if you support such tenets, that makes you sexist and mysogynistic too. You can equivocate as much as you like, attempt to rationalise, but the objective truth remains. Islam is demonstrably sexist.
A point about belief, or the lack of it. You maintain that my atheism renders me incapable of offering a considered opinion.
"Problem is that there so many things you being an atheist do not believe and therefore you would not be able to understand"
You would be wrong, on several counts. As an atheist, there are no many things that I have no belief in. On the contrary, I only have one thing I have no belief in- God. And a lack of belief does not affect my intelligence and ability to understand things.
Of course I am sceptical of the authority of religion and the need for religious practices and observances. But this does not stop me seeing objective truths, and this is evident on the issue of Islams stance on women..
And I think you are factually incorrect elsewhere, too. You highlight the restrictions on muslim males when it comes to marrying women outside of the "people of the book" as if this a good thing, and if somehow it balances out the restrictions on muslim women - But it does no such thing! And it points, once again, to the regressive nature of the religion.
"Ignoring everything else someone says" Is a sign that you are running out of arguments, Keyplus. It is the childish equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and singing lalala at the top of your voice in order to avoid hearing an unpalatable truth.
And I am still puzzled why gold and silk are forbidden colours / materials for men. Would a muslim businessman wearing a gold silk tie have transgressed the rules?
And what would happen in this following scenario? What would an Imam advise?
Young Muslim woman.living and working in the UK falls in love with a man outside her faith. Falls in love with a Hindu, let say. ( lets not blow anyones fuse and suggest, horror of horrors, an atheist!) They decide to get married. What would the imams advice be to the womans family? How would she stand in relation to her religion? Is there a punishment?
Keyplus, //I don’t look at websites, I read what religion says by reading their books.//
You’re telling porkies again. If that were true you would know something of the Hindu concept of God – and you very clearly don’t. You know only what Islam tells you – and a quick google brings this up on an Islamic website.
“There is no likeness of Him”.
(Shwetashvatara Upanishad 4:19)
Stop treating people here as fools. I’ve told you before – they are not.
You’re telling porkies again. If that were true you would know something of the Hindu concept of God – and you very clearly don’t. You know only what Islam tells you – and a quick google brings this up on an Islamic website.
“There is no likeness of Him”.
(Shwetashvatara Upanishad 4:19)
Stop treating people here as fools. I’ve told you before – they are not.
////Now I am not expecting you to agree with it and I know you never will.////
This is what I said long time before trying to answer this question, I believe I was spot on. I am 100% sure that if I were to ask lazygun how Muslims (or Islam) should treat a woman then the answer would be as he believes. So it is very simply the issue of what I believe (or people who believe what I believe) is right and anything else is wrong. A very well known atheistic way of thinking and therefore nothing can be done about that. As for the Muslims, they know that Islam gave women rights when you people in the West were still thinking whether women were human or not. So please go and sort your own home instead of telling someone else what to do.
Emmie - ////if you look after your women so well, how come some die or are seriously injured at the hands of their husbands.////
This is one of the most childish comments I have ever seen on AB.
This is what I said long time before trying to answer this question, I believe I was spot on. I am 100% sure that if I were to ask lazygun how Muslims (or Islam) should treat a woman then the answer would be as he believes. So it is very simply the issue of what I believe (or people who believe what I believe) is right and anything else is wrong. A very well known atheistic way of thinking and therefore nothing can be done about that. As for the Muslims, they know that Islam gave women rights when you people in the West were still thinking whether women were human or not. So please go and sort your own home instead of telling someone else what to do.
Emmie - ////if you look after your women so well, how come some die or are seriously injured at the hands of their husbands.////
This is one of the most childish comments I have ever seen on AB.
keyplus - as I said earlier, you have been typing rubbish for over seven years on here. And now you ask:
''What would the imams advice be to the womans family? How would she stand in relation to her religion? Is there a punishment?''
1) Why is has it got anything to do with the imams?
2) Why should religion be a factor?
3) Why is the word punishment even suggested? Punishment for what?
4) Keyplus - please come back when you have less time.
5) Must go - my shift ended 10 minutes ago.
''What would the imams advice be to the womans family? How would she stand in relation to her religion? Is there a punishment?''
1) Why is has it got anything to do with the imams?
2) Why should religion be a factor?
3) Why is the word punishment even suggested? Punishment for what?
4) Keyplus - please come back when you have less time.
5) Must go - my shift ended 10 minutes ago.
So, no actual argument rebutting the challenge of sexism then, Keyplus. Rather, you now try to deflect attention from your lack of answer by saying that sexism is just a state of mind, and that Muslim women were liberated long before those in the West?
Does not work. You cannot answer this question. Why are Muslim men allowed to marry outside of the Muslim religion, but women are forbidden to do so? The only reply you were able to give was to offer a link to some Muslim Scholar - and his answer ( because the muslim scholars and imans are always men, aren't they?) was "because women might not be able to resist their husbands desire that they change religion or force them not to observe their religious ritual".
In other words, muslim women are too weak-willed, too feeble to stand up for themselves - this is the only conclusion we can draw, from the Imam himself - someone whose views you endorse, presumably, since you offered the link.
Unarguably sexist, Keyplus.
What happens, in the Muslim culture/ within the religion, if a woman was to disobey the religious/cultural dictacts regarding her mode of dress?
What happens to a Muslim man if he were to wear a gold silk tie?
Does not work. You cannot answer this question. Why are Muslim men allowed to marry outside of the Muslim religion, but women are forbidden to do so? The only reply you were able to give was to offer a link to some Muslim Scholar - and his answer ( because the muslim scholars and imans are always men, aren't they?) was "because women might not be able to resist their husbands desire that they change religion or force them not to observe their religious ritual".
In other words, muslim women are too weak-willed, too feeble to stand up for themselves - this is the only conclusion we can draw, from the Imam himself - someone whose views you endorse, presumably, since you offered the link.
Unarguably sexist, Keyplus.
What happens, in the Muslim culture/ within the religion, if a woman was to disobey the religious/cultural dictacts regarding her mode of dress?
What happens to a Muslim man if he were to wear a gold silk tie?
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