Fao Theland

[andy-hughes]

Theland, I did ask this question on the thread in News, but I think it deserves a separate discussion -

As a Christian I am assuming that you follow the belief that God has a 'plan' for each of us.

What do you believe is his 'plan' for the victims of the recently deceased paedophile who has been murdered in prison?

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // What is guaranteed is that God is in full control ... //

As I type, and as you read, there are children being abused and hurt.

Where is your God's 'control' for them?

[Theland]

They are subjected to the moral evil that we all subscribe to as we push God out of our societies.
What is YOUR answer?
Atheism? The

[Zacs-Master]

Oh dear.

[mibn2cweus]

'Free will' within Christianity is a matter of interpretation and dispute.

[Zacs-Master]

Much like the whole of the Bible.

[Theland]

"Oh dear", yes.
Belief in God is ridiculed and yet, nobody presents an alternative reason for us being here.
Throw bricks and then hide.
Rather weak and cowardly I think.
Come on atheists, present your ideas for the beginning of the universe, the beginning of life, and justify the stupid theory of evolution.
Instead of throwing bricks, show me your alternative arguments.
Never heard any yet.

[Theland]

Come on Zacs give me your account of the Big Questions, or go go back into your hole.

[Zacs-Master]

How do you reconcile making comments like 'go back into your hole' with 'Why do you and some others treat this site as an opportunity to simply take a pop at people you don't know?'

You're such a hypocrite.

[mibn2cweus]

Ultimately, whether or not you believe in a god or that the Bible is 'His word', we all rely completely on our reasoning (or lack thereof) coupled with our comprehension of reality to determine and distinguish moral from immoral behavior, along with the reason to choose one rather than the other. Where your reason fails, immorality soon follows.

[naomi24]

Theland, //show me your alternative arguments. //

I asked you for your arguments the other day. None were forthcoming.

//Never heard any yet. //

Nor me from you.

[mibn2cweus]

Lack of knowledge or understanding (of origins) is no justification for believing you know.

[pixie374]

Theland, nobody had the answers.... and you don't necessarily need them to be able to rule out an unlikely scenario. It is fair enough just to say you don't know, without believing every other theory.

[Old_Geezer]

I'm sure there was no plan to give them the ordeal, merely to not interfere with that which the humans were doing. Any plan would be to welcome them back older, wiser, more knowledgeable when the time comes. With a flawed premise the question would be invalid.

[Theland]

"Go back into your hole," yes they slither out to throw their arrows, bricks or whatever, and never put forward any convincing argument for the big questions.
Come on you critics, put forward your answers to the big questions and stop criticising the idea of God.
"I don't know, " is not satisfying and is simply putting your head under the blanket.

[pixie374]

Nobody needs a convincing theory to rule out a God, theland. Your questioning might stop there, because you "know" the answers... but it is traditional to want a shred of proof, somehow and somewhere, before giving up on thinking altogether.

[nailit]

//"I don't know, " is not satisfying//
Satisfying or not, its the truth.
Cant just make things up because we are not satisfied.

[vulcan42]

" "I don't know, " is not satisfying and is simply putting your head under the blanket."
It is satisfactory to say "I don't know" for those who don't know. Unfortunately for you Theland you don't know either but insist you do, your satisfaction comes from a belief and a belief isn't necessarily true just because you think or say it is.

[pixie374]

If theland had the answers, he would post in Science, not Religion...

[andy-hughes]

O_G - // I'm sure there was no plan to give them the ordeal, merely to not interfere with that which the humans were doing. Any plan would be to welcome them back older, wiser, more knowledgeable when the time comes. //

That's a new slant on the defence of God OG - he allows children to be abused because it's character building, and they'll be all the more understanding as adults that God thought that would be good for them, so they really shouldn't moan, just think themselves blessed for the experience.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Come on you critics, put forward your answers to the big questions and stop criticising the idea of God.
"I don't know, " is not satisfying and is simply putting your head under the blanket. //

You are getting into Party Political Broadcast mode again, which is not helpful in keeping the debate on track.

The truth is, you don't know why your God allows this abuse, and every other monstrosity visited on the children of the world, and that's fine, because I didn't expect you to know, any more than I would.

For me, terms like 'moral evil' are a lot quantitive easing / Brexit / metrosexual / political correctness, and so on and so forth - they are blanket terms, shorthand so everyone knows where we are without the tiresome need to explain everything all over again.

Christians can say 'moral evil' to each other, and nod sagely, knowing that this is the catch-all phrase for things they don't understand, and are frankly uncomfortable discussing, so they can just move on and talk about how great God is - far safer ground.