I See The Notting Hill Crimathon Is In Full Swing...

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4332911/notting-hill-carnival-remembers-grenfell-tower-victims-silence/
33 arrests already, wonderful cultural event!

[anotheoldgit]

So very, very interesting this was the question asked by trt at 8:54 Mon 28th Aug 2017:

/// By the way, whats the % of black & white ABs on here? ///

Not a murmur from the usual suspects, until I entered 'Centre Right'

Then out came all the insults etc etc, yet another normal day on AB.

You lot amaze me, you are so predictably rude.

Footnote to trt though have they scared you off from continuing to get some answers from your question?

Or are you prepared to continue to witness me taking the flack on your behalf?

[jackthehat]

//Not a murmur from the usual suspects, until I entered 'Centre Right' //

Dare I suggest that you are a little further rightwards than that....?

[Khandro]

jim; //At any rate I am not "proud" to be white. I don't see why anyone should be proud of such things. Nor should they be ashamed, either.//

I agree on that, but is there any harm in being 'proud to be English' - or Finnish, Australian, Portuguese or whatever, (even Scottish!) ?

[Zacs-Master]

I'd estimate it at about 98% white to black. sp is the only person who I think has confirmed he's black.

What do you want to make of that AOG?

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24

I see you have joined in with the pack, but since you seem once again to have your argumentative bloomers firmly in place, I have chosen just to ignore you.

[Zacs-Master]

In other words he has no answer. What about answering my post previous to this one?

[anotheoldgit]

jim360

/// At any rate I am not "proud" to be white. I don't see why anyone should be proud of such things. ///

Never heard of 'Black Pride' then Jim?

[jim360]

I like the idea that Naomi has ever "joined in with the pack".

Khandro -- by the definition I gave earlier, I wouldn't say I'm "proud" to be English, or British, either. I didn't choose where I was born. I don't know if there's any harm in it per se, but I guess it depends on how far that pride goes and what you do with it.

[albaqwerty]

Doesn't Pride go before a fall anyway?

[jim360]

I am fairly sure that "Black Pride" is related to (a) heritage, and (b) a counter-reaction to perceived discrimination. In that context it makes some level of sense. I hope for a time when it's no longer seen as necessary to make the point. It's the same sort of thing as LGBT pride: I don't see that anyone should be proud of their sexuality or gender identity in and of itself, but in the face of the discrimination they face or have faced, it makes a great deal of sense to reject that and be "proud" of it.

On the other hand, being "proud" of being White has no context in which that makes sense, ever.

[EDDIE51]

Any hope we can get back to the actual question?
313 arrests this year against 454 last year!! Hardly a 'Crimathon' , well over 2 million people attended !!! Fewer arrests than at a premier league football match with less than 2% of the number of people present!
This was the worst incident , but no one seems to have mentioned it so far!
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/notting-hill-carnival-2017-three-people-hurt-in-liquid-attack-and-two-trampled-as-terrified-crowds-a3621611.html

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat

/// Dare I suggest that you are a little further rightwards than that....? ///

Don't be so coy Jack, when have you ever not dared to suggest anything?

But it doesn't necessarily make your suggestions to be correct.

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// I'd estimate it at about 98% white to black. sp is the only person who I think has confirmed he's black. ///

/// What do you want to make of that AOG? ///

Good for him I would say, and instead of estimating unknown figures, it would seem that it is only sp and myself who are prepared to state the colour of our skins.

But then Zacs if you had chosen to provide an answer to trt's original earlier, I am sure it would have saved all the unpleasantness that followed.

[Islay]

Why should we state the colour of our skins?

[jackthehat]

For no other reason than to satisfy AOG's nosiness....and you are right, Islay, he'll use it against anyone prepared to 'fess-up at some point.

[anneasquith]

Back to OP, not much of a crimathon really? Hands up those who are disappointed . ;-)

[Zacs-Master]

I keep telling you AOG, we can see through you. Well, some of us can.

[anotheoldgit]

jim360

/// I hope for a time when it's no longer seen as necessary to make the point. ///

I think that you are in for a very long wait, the British Empire abolished slavery in 1833, much earlier in England though, but we are still constantly made to answer for it.

Incidentally why should a person being born in a specific country not feel proud of belonging to the country of their birth, I know that must be quite foreign to those on the Left, mainly shown for their support of other countries against that of their birth, some call them 'anti-British'.

[Sqad]

Eddie...good point about the "acid attacks" if that is what they were, suggesting it is not just the arrests, but the severity and type of crime.

[jim360]

"I think that you are in for a very long wait..."

Probably, but it's worth it.

Also the label "Anti-British" really is over-used. I have no doubt that some people overdo the criticism of their country and deserve such a label (various of my alma mater's "alumni" deserving the label, for example), but most of the time it seems that "Anti-British" is thrown at people willy-nilly, just because they point out that maybe the history of a country isn't filled with 100% glory and perfection.